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To: James Mott
"Here is all you need to know about the catholic church, if you have the guts to read it."

http://bishopaccountability.org/ You have posted this same claim and link on at least a couple of threads I've seen now.

Your reasoning obviously rests on clearly fallacious logic (applying attributes you perceive in part of a group to the entire group).

By using precisely that same kind of logic, you would have to apply the faults and evils you see in Judas Iscariot to Jesus Christ and his other apostles and followers, as they were all part of the same group.

That kind of claim is plainly based on fallacious reasoning, and is simply false.     (Please remember that all falsehoods come ultimately from the father of all lies.)

I urge you to do a lot more serious thinking about this matter with a prayerful heart, and to please stop repeatedly posting that link with your false claim that this somehow tells you all you need to know about the Catholic Church.     Truthfully, it emphatically does not, and anyone who claims it does is not a friend of the truth.

26 posted on 07/03/2012 7:08:24 PM PDT by Heart-Rest ("The Church is the pillar and bulwark of the truth." (1 Timothy 3:15))
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To: Heart-Rest; James Mott
Your reasoning obviously rests on clearly fallacious logic (applying attributes you perceive in part of a group to the entire group). By using precisely that same kind of logic, you would have to apply the faults and evils you see in Judas Iscariot to Jesus Christ and his other apostles and followers, as they were all part of the same group. That kind of claim is plainly based on fallacious reasoning, and is simply false. (Please remember that all falsehoods come ultimately from the father of all lies.)

The fallacious reasoning is in concluding that LEADERS of an organization do NOT represent that group. Judas Iscariot was a follower of Jesus Christ and an apostle in the early stages of the ministry, had he not killed himself, do you seriously believe he would have been allowed to remain an Apostle after what he had done? People who are in leadership positions within a ministry, rightfully DO present a face of that ministry. Any organization that winks at wrong doing among its clergy - as the Roman Catholic Church has done over the centuries - demonstrates a moral failure within the ranks that are SUPPOSED to be examples of holy living. Can sinners be found in any church? Yes, we have ALL sinned and fall short of the glory of God, but we are called to consider ourselves dead to sin and a man or woman of God is to be an example of victorious living and, if they continue in unrepentant gross sin, they should be expelled from the fellowship and most certainly from leadership positions.

The examples given in the link show leaders of the Catholic Church in high positions who either participated in criminal immorality or did nothing to stop it from happening within their jurisdictions. We are not talking about minor faults common to all humans but ongoing, criminal abuse of children that the majority of nonreligious people wouldn't dream of committing. That is far from the "we are all sinners" excuse so many people toss out. Is this the ONLY face of Catholicism? Of course not, but it cannot and should not be ignored and swept under the rug. It is an indication of a serious failure to be steadfast and of keeping the name of our Savior above reproach. It is a responsibility we ALL share - not just our leaders - and we are all put to open shame.

53 posted on 07/03/2012 9:11:16 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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