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To: boatbums
The name “Isaiah” means Salvation of Jah or Jehovah but it hardly indicates Isaiah was God and an imgae (eikon) is a picture or representation of someone not the person themself.

The titles given the son at Isa. 9:6 are quite fitting as Jesus was to act as a councelor and mighty god and father. As far back as Justin Martyr's time it was recognized that these titles applied to Christ did not make him THE Father or the one Almighty God.

Wrote Justin Martyr in his Dialog with Trypho:

“And when Isaiah calls Him the Angel of mighty counsel, did he not foretell Him to be the Teacher of those truths which He did teach when He came [to earth]? For He alone taught openly those mighty counsels which the Father designed both for all those who have been and shall be well-pleasing to Him”.

Is the Son the Father?

One of the great joys of the Christian religion is its simplicity so that the common man was attracted to it unlike the mystery religions of Pythagoras and other Greek philosophers.

Since Jesus went to great lengths to make sure his disciples understood what he taught by parables and examples of everyday life it seems odd that this so-called “central doctrine” has not a bit of explanation or discussion in the Scriptures.

” Jesus cannot be “a god” or even just “mighty god” and the Father Almighty God because Scripture uses those names for both the Father and the Son:”

John, in fact, calls Jesus “the only begotten god” at John 1:18.

Are you saying Jesus is the Father?

481 posted on 07/18/2012 6:22:05 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change; boatbums
Are you saying Jesus is the Father?

John 14:8-118  Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” 9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else believe on account of the works themselves.

John 10:30 I and the Father are one.”

483 posted on 07/18/2012 6:54:12 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: count-your-change
Are you saying Jesus is the Father?

No. Jesus is NOT the Father, but he IS Almighty God in the flesh. Just as the Father is not the Son and the Son is not the Holy Spirit, so the Holy Spirit is not the Son or the Father, YET they are all ONE God. The problem, I believe, is trying to explain something that is unfathomable for our finite minds. The Holy Spirit inspired the writers of Scripture to state certain things using words people understood but those words express a concept that can not be fully understood by human logic.

So, it boils down to what I said earlier...who or what IS Jesus? Is He a man, a god, an angel or some other creation? Scripture says there is NO other god but the LORD God. So that means Jesus is not "a" god. Scripture says that angels are created beings - which John 1:3 says Jesus created, so He did not create Himself. Jesus is not just a man because Scripture says ALL men have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Also, a mere man could not be from everlasting as Scripture says Jesus is. As to Jesus being some "other" creation, there is NO Scripture that defines Him that way. There is ALL creation and there is the Creator of it, nothing in between. Either Jesus IS God in the flesh as Scripture says numerous times He is or Scripture is wrong. If that is the case, then our faith is based upon nothing, we are dead in our sins and without hope in this world. So, who do YOU say Jesus is?

511 posted on 07/18/2012 4:53:33 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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