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To: count-your-change; Springfield Reformer
Paul use similar language in Col. 1:15-18 calling the Son not God or God the Son but the image of God and the firstborn of creation adding that “all things have been created through (dia) him”.

Yet Paul as well as many other writers in Scripture DID call Jesus God:

Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. (Mat. 1:23 cf Isa. 7:14)

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. (II Cor. 4:3,4)

For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. (II Cor. 4:6)

That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. (I Tim. 6:14-16)

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. (Rom. 8:9)

For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. (Rom. 14:8-9)

That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost. (Rom. 15:16)

But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. (I Cor. 1:24)

To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. (II Cor. 5:19)

Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high. (Heb. 1:3)

Paul as well as Peter taught through Scripture that there is ONLY one God and that God became a man, was incarnated, in the flesh. They also spoke of and used words that describe the reality of God being manifested to mankind as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit and that though there were three, they were STILL all one God. Jesus cannot be "a god" or even just "mighty god" and the Father Almighty God because Scripture uses those names for both the Father and the Son:

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. (Isa. 9:6)

The mighty God, even the LORD, hath spoken, and called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof. (Psa. 50:1)

Thou shewest lovingkindness unto thousands, and recompensest the iniquity of the fathers into the bosom of their children after them: the Great, the Mighty God, the LORD of hosts, is his name, (Jer. 32:18)

I agree with you that the "Trinity" definition makes no sense, it makes no human finite thinking sense, but we don't understand probably a fraction of our physical world, what makes us think we should understand heavenly things? We Trinitarians accept this doctrine by faith just like we do about how the shed blood of Jesus Christ can make propitiation for all our sins and that God gifts to us eternal life in heaven when we DO accept it by faith. There are many things I cannot fully grasp but it doesn't mean it isn't true. I believe that there is a more than ample Biblical foundation for the doctrine of the Trinity. I don't believe the early church just invented it out of whole cloth but both the Old Testament as well as the New Testament in addition to the teachings of the Apostles gave them these truths by which the Christian faith was defined. I hope you have a good day.

470 posted on 07/17/2012 11:45:54 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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472 posted on 07/18/2012 12:13:42 AM PDT by stpio
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To: boatbums
The name “Isaiah” means Salvation of Jah or Jehovah but it hardly indicates Isaiah was God and an imgae (eikon) is a picture or representation of someone not the person themself.

The titles given the son at Isa. 9:6 are quite fitting as Jesus was to act as a councelor and mighty god and father. As far back as Justin Martyr's time it was recognized that these titles applied to Christ did not make him THE Father or the one Almighty God.

Wrote Justin Martyr in his Dialog with Trypho:

“And when Isaiah calls Him the Angel of mighty counsel, did he not foretell Him to be the Teacher of those truths which He did teach when He came [to earth]? For He alone taught openly those mighty counsels which the Father designed both for all those who have been and shall be well-pleasing to Him”.

Is the Son the Father?

One of the great joys of the Christian religion is its simplicity so that the common man was attracted to it unlike the mystery religions of Pythagoras and other Greek philosophers.

Since Jesus went to great lengths to make sure his disciples understood what he taught by parables and examples of everyday life it seems odd that this so-called “central doctrine” has not a bit of explanation or discussion in the Scriptures.

” Jesus cannot be “a god” or even just “mighty god” and the Father Almighty God because Scripture uses those names for both the Father and the Son:”

John, in fact, calls Jesus “the only begotten god” at John 1:18.

Are you saying Jesus is the Father?

481 posted on 07/18/2012 6:22:05 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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