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To: daniel1212

What you post does nothing to change the core teachings of the Catholic/Orthodox church and the concrete teachings.

Basically, all you do is try and create a web of confusion that only panders to those who hate the Catholic Church.It’s very cunning and manipulative because you use examples that lack clarity to the subject of the Catholic Faith.

For instance, I used an example of “latae sententiae” and you post what was said by Cardinal Dolan

What you seemingly fail to realize is that abortion politicians and others who know the Faith and teach against it have excommunicated themselves consciously.

What you also seemingly don’t seem to understand is that it could be possible that someone like Pelosi, Coumo and others living in grave sin could have gone to confession,repented and became worthy to receive Eucharist.

This is why you hear someone like Bishop Dolan say what he did because it is possible, and it would be wrong to refuse them if they repented . Their confession could have taken place any day of the week in any Catholic or Orthodox church anywhere in the world, so to use an example of Bishop Dolan as if he is not in line with Catholic teaching is not truthful

Those who receive Eucharist in grave sin and have not repented bring condemnation upon themselves and are guilty of Sacrilege.


43 posted on 07/07/2012 3:28:11 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: stfassisi; daniel1212

The problem is the CCC lacks clarity as does all the other bulls,
pronouncements, and other declarations the RCC makes.

It’s not the fault of the messenger.

Catholics can rant all they want about those liberal Catholics having ex-communicated themselves, but it in no way absolves the Church from its own responsibility to take action against those who claim the name of Catholic and fail to adhere to Catholic teachings.

The Catholic church has abdicated its responsibility and betrayed those faithful Catholics who still trust it and in it.


44 posted on 07/07/2012 4:35:20 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slav)
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To: stfassisi; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; smvoice; HarleyD; bkaycee
Basically, all you do is try and create a web of confusion that only panders to those who hate the Catholic Church.It’s very cunning and manipulative because you use examples that lack clarity to the subject of the Catholic Faith.

What you also seemingly don’t seem to understand is that it could be possible that someone like Pelosi, Coumo and others living in grave sin could have gone to confession,repented and became worthy to receive Eucharist.

Actually, it is RCs like you who promote an idea of unity and surety of doctrine in Catholicism that is deceptive, and your attempt at damage control does not refute the evidence against it. And the differences do not lack clarity, of which i can provide much more if needed.

Meanwhile until Pelosi, Coumo and others like them manifest repentance, or Rome formally excommunicates them, then it remains that you are stuck with such multitudes whom Rome treats as members in life and in death, unless you want to join one of the Catholic sects, who, paradoxically, are more conservative, like as the evangelical churches whom many Catholics join.

48 posted on 07/07/2012 8:55:08 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a damned+morally destitute sinner,+trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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