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Thank you, WashPost. As an expert at undermining good people, places, and things, you’ve helped us greatly. If all you can find to smear Romney with is MountainMeadows from 1858, you’ve convinced us that Romney must be a really good man. We’re definitely going to vote for him now.

Thank you, WashPost. As an expert at undermining good people, places, and things, you’ve helped us greatly. If all you can find to smear Romney with is MountainMeadows from 1858...

#1, Romney's the one who was a poor excuse for a human being with the horrid excuse of “There are bad people in any church, and it’s true of members of my church, too.” (So Romney boomeranged this back on himself by trying to excuse away these mass murderers...Romney utterly failed to mention that Lds only helped to bring one murderer to justice -- out of dozens & dozens -- and didn't even ex-communicate any of the murderers save two -- and reinstated BOTH of them...one, John D. Lee, well after his death)

The Huge problem with the 19th & 20th century Mormon church wasn't just the mass murderers; but all those leaders who covered up their murders...

#2, if you're complaining about this being brought up within the timing of an election year, will you rail on the Mormon History Association, too -- when in three weeks -- they will devote a whole session section to this topic?

The session section is entitled: From Mountain Meadows to Modern Sympathies:

A BYU rep (Lawrence G. Coates BYU-Idaho) will cover: “Healing Bitterness: The Mountain Meadows Massacre” -- showing that Mormons still recognize they've done very little to alleviate the bitterness over these past 150 some years... (Mina Estevez is also speaking on: “Murdering History: Literature and the Mountain Meadows Massacre”

Source: Mormonism in Its Expanding Global Context: Invitations to New Interpretation and Understanding

We’re definitely going to vote for him now.

Hey newbie, who is 'we'?

Romney must be a really good man.

Romney is a liberal and a cult leader - NOTHING good about that.

But, FHC, we would REALLY like a man who has at least SOME evidence of being able to discern the truth in office; do we not?

With SO many FACTS about MORMONism are being revealed these days; any person who has actually CHOSEN that religion must be doing so while ignoring the data being presented; almost ALL of it from Official MORMON sources.

So you've endured the spiel of the fresh faced young men who have come to your home, and told you the well rehearsed story of the Book of MORMON, and they want you to 'pray about it' to see if it is true or not.

They most likely will NOT have told you how it came to be...

"Now the way he translated was he put the urim and thummim into his hat and Darkned his Eyes than he would take a sentance and it would apper in Brite Roman Letters. Then he would tell the writer and he would write it. Then that would go away the next sentance would Come and so on. But if it was not Spelt rite it would not go away till it was rite, so we see it was marvelous. Thus was the hol [whole] translated."

---Joseph Knight's journal.

"In writing for your father I frequently wrote day after day, often sitting at the table close by him, he sitting with his face buried in his hat, with the stone in it, and dictating hour after hour with nothing between us."
(History of the RLDS Church, 8 vols.

(Independence, Missouri: Herald House,1951),

"Last Testimony of Sister Emma [Smith Bidamon]," 3:356.

"I, as well as all of my father's family, Smith's wife, Oliver Cowdery and Martin Harris, were present during the translation. . . . He [Joseph Smith] did not use the plates in translation."
---(David Whitmer,

as published in the "Kansas City Journal," June 5, 1881,

and reprinted in the RLDS "Journal of History", vol. 8, (1910), pp. 299-300.

In an 1885 interview, Zenas H. Gurley, then the editor of the RLDS Saints Herald, asked Whitmer if Joseph had used his "Peep stone" to do the translation. Whitmer replied:

"... he used a stone called a "Seers stone," the "Interpreters" having been taken away from him because of transgression. The "Interpreters" were taken from Joseph after he allowed Martin Harris to carry away the 116 pages of Ms [manuscript] of the Book of Mormon as a punishment, but he was allowed to go on and translate by use of a "Seers stone" which he had, and which he placed in a hat into which he buried his face, stating to me and others that the original character appeared upon parchment and under it the translation in English."

"Martin Harris related an incident that occurred during the time that he wrote that portion of the translation of the Book of Mormon which he was favored to write direct from the mouth of the Prophet Joseph Smith. He said that the Prophet possessed a seer stone, by which he was enabled to translate as well as from the Urim and Thummim, and for convenience he then used the seer stone, Martin explained the translation as follows: By aid of the seer stone, sentences would appear and were read by the Prophet and written by Martin and when finished he would say 'Written,' and if correctly written that sentence would disappear and another appear in its place, but if not written correctly it remained until corrected, so that the translation was just as it was engraven on the plates, precisely in the language then used."
(Edward Stevenson, "One of the Three Witnesses,"

reprinted from Deseret News, 30 Nov. 1881

in Millennial Star, 44 (6 Feb. 1882): 86-87.)

In 1879, Michael Morse, Emma Smith's brother-in-law, stated:

"When Joseph was translating the Book of Mormon [I] had occasion more than once to go into his immediate presence, and saw him engaged at his work of translation. The mode of procedure consisted in Joseph's placing the Seer Stone in the crown of a hat, then putting his face into the hat, so as to entirely cover his face, resting his elbows upon his knees, and then dictating word after word, while the scribes Emma, John Whitmer, O. Cowdery, or some other wrote it down."
(W.W. Blair interview with Michael Morse,

Saints Herald, vol. 26, no. 12

June 15, 1879, pp. 190-91.)

Joseph Smith's brother William also testified to the "face in the hat" version:

"The manner in which this was done was by looking into the Urim and Thummim, which was placed in a hat to exclude the light, (the plates lying near by covered up), and reading off the translation, which appeared in the stone by the power of God"

("A New Witness for Christ in America,"

Francis W. Kirkham, 2:417.)

"The manner in which he pretended to read and interpret was the same manner as when he looked for the money-diggers, with the stone in his hat, while the book of plates were at the same time hid in the woods."

---Isaac Hale (Emma Smith's father's) affidavit, 1834.

...ignoring the data being presented...

The following are the LYING images that MORMONism has produced, KNOWING that they represent something FALSE!!

Romney must be a really good man.

I know your reply was sarcasm, but the FACT remains that there are two ways of describing Mitt:

Either as a DECIEVED Mormon or as a DECEIVING Mormon.

I do not want either one to lead MY country.

I'll stick with the devil I know.