Replies

All of those terrible acts on both sides were travesties and atrocious and have no place in this nation or amongst any group of people who claim discipleship following Jesus Christ. Such actions, irregardless of which side of that coin, are clearly the anti-thesis of "Christian."

The mormon church and its members have spent 180 years revisiting "those terrible acts on both sides (that) were travesties and atrocious and have no place in this nation" and cowering behind the "victim" label in an attempt to gain sympathy....and members.

Anytime the sins and failures of various mormons are brought to light, from financial scams to child molestation, there is ALWAYS the old theme song, "But we mormons are SO persecuted" used as a defense of the sins and crimes.

The second post on this thread whines about mormon "persecution"

Jeff made THIS comment in Post #17 on this thread. "God rest the souls of those settlers who were killed and bless and comfort their descendants.
And God bless and rest those LDS people who were massacred and killed in Missouri and Illinois 15-20 years earlier when the LDS were brutally persecuted and pushed out into the Intermountain West to the Great Basin." which IMO is a blatant, major distortion of the actual history of early mormonism, after previously saying in the same post, "As I have stated to you and others before me I will not sit back and countenance such a willful, and blatant distortion.

Flying Inmans will recall that a departed FReeper made a huge outcry about the "persecution" of a mormon missionary in having a cup of water splashed on her.

IMO, "persecution" consists of 52,000 mormon missionaries knocking on the doors of Christians and making the claim to them that their faith is bogus and the only way to obtain salvation is through mormon temple rituals. That is violating the property of others in order to lie to them.

Exactly right.

(And it's not always the Mormon posters who make such responses -- altho the Lds PR machine has prompted their knee-jerk response)

Christians have been persecuted FAR more and FAR worse for 2,000 years. Yet NOTHING done to Christians could EVER justify a SEPARATE group of Christians from committing mass murder vs. innocent victims some 13-24 years later.

Yet when we Christians listen to the Constant Mormon narrative put out there -- and oft repeated by the mass media and non-Mormons -- mass-murder is somehow "understood" within some alleged "context" that some Mormon got elbowed in a roller-derby game in Missouri in 1833...or 1838.

Now I'm intentionally being facetious/reductionistic re: what happened in Missouri; obviously, some of what happened there were REAL battles...some was oppression...but the main MMM perps in Utah weren't REAL victims in either Missouri or Utah. There was no tit-for-tat there.

And the Utah victims were from Arkansas, not MO or IL.

So those who try to provide a false "context" for the MMM have both weak reasoning skills and, worse, are STILL engaging in a cover-up of the MMM. They read into the motivations for mass murder. And frankly, if they are somehow "right" that this was all "tit-for-tat" -- it just seems to confirm that Brigham Young was in on the planning, after all. Because no grassroots Mormon would take on murdering people in the triple-figures due to "revenge" unless it involved leaders from Illinois who wanted "revenge." And Brigham Young was such a Mormon leader in Illinois!