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You can't tell me what others said to me isn't true because you weren't there to witness and hear the conversations. You can't pass judgment on their veracity.

You claimed "The Roman Catholics don't consider Ukrainian Catholics quite good enough and the Ukrainian Catholics know it." Now, it comes down to rumor and you having no evidence to back up your claim. Again.

The only options you have is to tell me I'm lying, which you just did here, or to tell me that that is not what you experienced. But you have no basis for telling me what I experienced is not true.

I said what you claimed is not true and I backed it up with evidence, which is more than can be said for you.

Again, the evidence makes the RCC look bad, so the typical recourse is to attack the integrity of the person relating the information.

What evidence. You have presented none, only rumor. Asking for evidence instead of rumor is now twisted into attacking the person.

Right there it tells me I hit a nerve.

You haven't hit a nerve. You have made a claim with no evidence.

Another thing you seem to be incapable of understanding is the distinction between official church position and the thinking of the grassroots lay Catholics.

Interesting. I'm actually a "grassroots" lay Catholic, which is something you can't claim. I know of no lay Catholics who don't think of the Ukrainians as real Catholics. And as I've stated, there are lay Catholics on FR who regularly attend Eastern Catholic liturgies.

My comment was about the PEOPLE in the Catholic church, not the technical position of the *Church*.

The Catholic Church is made up of people. I've posted evidence you have not.

The Roman Catholic laity does not consider Ukrainian Catholics entirely legit.

I'm Catholic laity and I consider them legit, as do others on FR.

They look down their noses at them and the Ukrainian Catholics are well aware of the spiritual snobbery of the Roman Catholics as being in the REAL TRUE Church.

There are 22 Catholic Churches, including the Ukrainian liturgy and all are equally Catholic.

All you have is rumor.

I said what you claimed is not true and I backed it up with evidence, which is more than can be said for you.

You have no basis for telling me that what I heard was not true. The source you gave just shows other thinking in the area. It certainly goes nowhere in refuting what I heard.

Every Catholic who's not clergy is grassroots Catholic. It doesn't set you apart as special nor does it refute what other grassroots Catholics have said.

All it does is show that the opinions I heard are not held universally.

I'm not calling YOU a liar because you can't provide evidence to back up what other Catholics you've talked to have said or not said.

All you have is rumor.

No, it's not rumor because it's not something I heard ABOUT, it's stuff I heard.