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To: Titanites
I said what you claimed is not true and I backed it up with evidence, which is more than can be said for you.

You have no basis for telling me that what I heard was not true. The source you gave just shows other thinking in the area. It certainly goes nowhere in refuting what I heard.

Interesting. I'm actually a "grassroots" lay Catholic, which is something you can't claim. I know of no lay Catholics who don't think of the Ukrainians as real Catholics. And as I've stated, there are lay Catholics on FR who regularly attend Eastern Catholic liturgies.

Every Catholic who's not clergy is grassroots Catholic. It doesn't set you apart as special nor does it refute what other grassroots Catholics have said.

All it does is show that the opinions I heard are not held universally.

I'm not calling YOU a liar because you can't provide evidence to back up what other Catholics you've talked to have said or not said.

All you have is rumor.

No, it's not rumor because it's not something I heard ABOUT, it's stuff I heard.

558 posted on 06/11/2012 9:42:02 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
You have no basis for telling me that what I heard was not true.

Yes, I do. It's absolutely not true, and I've post evidence to that effect.

No, it's not rumor because it's not something I heard ABOUT, it's stuff I heard.

It's nothing but rumor.

    A rumor or rumour (see spelling differences) is often viewed as "an unverified account or explanation of events circulating from person to person and pertaining to an object, event, or issue in public concern"

    Thus, rumor is a concept that lacks a particular definition in the social sciences. But most theories agree that rumor involves some kind of a statement whose veracity is not quickly or ever confirmed. In addition, some scholars have identified rumor as a subset of propaganda, the latter another notoriously difficult concept to define.

    Rumors are also often discussed with regard to "misinformation" and "disinformation" (the former often seen as simply false and the latter seen as deliberately false.


566 posted on 06/11/2012 10:42:18 AM PDT by Titanites
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