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To: Jvette
One is saved by the waters of baptism and remains in Jesus through a life of service to others and obeying His commandments i.e. Loving God and Loving one’s neighbor.

Without the shedding of blood, there is NO remission of sins. Baptism is not shed blood, therefore CANNOT save.

We do not get saved by works, we don't stay saved by works.

The point is that even though these differing denomination are reading the VERY SAME Bible, they are coming to VERY DIFFERENT conclusions about some fundamental things.

Say, aren't you the one who posted post 159 or did someone hijack your account when you weren't looking?

Nor fundamental things whether you think so or not. I'm telling you they're not and since it is not your faith we are discussing, you have no ability to decide what are fundamental differences or not. It's up to those of us whose faith it is to define it.

Catholics don't get the privilege of defining Protestant beliefs for them.

171 posted on 06/05/2012 5:02:13 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
"It's up to those of us whose faith it is to define it."

There is a word that you should become familiar with; reciprocity. You should stop trying to redefine Catholicism before you attempt to lecture anyone on the issue.

Peace be with you.

176 posted on 06/05/2012 5:15:46 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: metmom

One is saved when one believes and one is baptized when one believes. Your argument is not with me, it with the Bible which says as much, Jesus says as much.

Mark 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Why does one need the Holy Spirit? Why did Jesus send Him to the Apostles and disciples and to us?

And yes, the shed blood of Jesus saves, opens the gates of heaven and repairs our relationship with God. But, if that is all that people need to be saved and have eternal life with God, then why does one have to believe? Why isn’t everyone saved? Why must one repent?

*****The point is that even though these differing denomination are reading the VERY SAME Bible, they are coming to VERY DIFFERENT conclusions about some fundamental things.*****

*****Nor fundamental things whether you think so or not. I’m telling you they’re not and since it is not your faith we are discussing, you have no ability to decide what are fundamental differences or not. It’s up to those of us whose faith it is to define it.****

And why is that you get to decide that? By what authority do you say that the very nature of God, Jesus and the believer are not fundamental differences?

Catholics don’t get the privilege of defining Protestant beliefs for them.

I am hardly doing that. I can go to numerous websites or read tracts or books written by Protestants that define those beliefs. I have not tried to define yours.

In fact, I never engaged you at all. I asked a question, a sincere one of another poster and you jumped in with all the usual, trite, shallow garbage that is spouted by a bevy of virulent agitators whenever Catholics post a thread like this.

And why is that a protestant can tell me what I believe as a Catholic, even after I have declared that not to be so?

Practice what you preach.


193 posted on 06/05/2012 6:51:55 PM PDT by Jvette
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