Posted on 06/03/2012 1:47:18 PM PDT by Salvation
You know, it is just the usual suspects who make it ugly and I would refuse to respond to them. If there is a real question, not posed by the usual suspects then I’d answer but answering the constant haranging by the usual suspects just seems so much like speaking to evil.
I just bite my tongue and pray.
Are you familiar with some of the Saints who were taught by the Apostlels? Those would be the books referred to here.
Are you familiar with some of the Saints who were taught by the Apostles? Those would be the books referred to here.
This was in today’s reading:
Mt 28:19-20 - I am with you all days
All of these supposed Protestant converts to your religion not only use the same form letter to record their testimony, but there’s never a single mention of one finding your religion in the bible, the written words of God...
They end up accepting what your religion says about itself while ignoring what God would tell them, if only they would look, in the scriptures...
As I see it, people looking for God will go to God’s own words...People seeking a religion will go to the religion...
I was talking about the accusation about mind-reading, not about backing up statements.
Why’d you change the subject?
I realize that - and yes, I am quite familiar with all of the early works.
Is the Catholic source different than, say, a Protestant source???
Now how did I know which direction this thread would go? I must be psychotic.
Does that include Joshua, Judges, Jeremiah, etc? Does that include all the apostasy of the nation of Israel? How about the apostasy of the churches of Revelation? The Bible is not a faltering picture of man, the nation of Israel or the church in either the Old or New Testament.
In truth the Catholic Church has abandoned the real meaning of the inspiration of the scriptures. If there is any doubt then I would call attention to at least this Catechism (which I just happen to have open):
Your catechism is merely a commentary on a few of the scriptures and a very poor one at that...
You ought to read some of the commentaries out there that cover all of scripture...
You are supposedly responding to the below, and i get them from FR frequently, if not from all RCs.
Yes, another one of the incessant threads preaching a Church, that of asserting Rome as the One True Church all are to submit to, and denigrating all others as being deficient, in faith, while excluding that one could leave Rome due to objective seeking, and due to spiritual deficiency in Rome;
And reiterating the same old refuted RC polemics, ultimately resting on Rome infallible defining that she is infallible, then complaining when such Catholic exaltation draws fire, and dismissing reproof as due to ill motive.
As for the 2000 years, what is your source for assurance that this is true?
The three monotheistic religions (one God) are Judaism, Catholicism and the Muslim religions.
All likenesses basically disappear at that point with the Muslims. The Judaism and Catholicism are much closer.
Some RCs are more Catholic than their church, and will exclude as members the majority of RCs, as they are liberal, yet Rome counts and treats them as members in life and in death. As Teddy K knew, to his eternal horror i suspect. Send them here (again) if they dare look: http://www.peacebyjesus.com/RC-Stats_vs._Evang.html
“Many who misunderstand the Catholic Church today have already made up their mind that the Church is wrong, thus never bothering to pick up a copy of the Catechism of the Catholic Church to find out what the Church really teaches. This is being close-minded. “
I left 6 years after i became born again, and having sought to serve the Lord in Rome (CCD teacher, Lector), as a faithful weekly (or more) practicing Catholic (and raised as such, with 2 uncles who were priests), but had i know what i know now i think i would have left sooner.
But which i did after a clear answer to sincere prayer, and without ill motive, and like most who become evangelical , it was not primarily doctrine (though i saw some discordance with Scripture), much less desire for liberal renderings, but mostly it was because of the deadness in Rome (the charismatic meetings were an improvement, but among other weights, the hierarchy joined them to Marxist social justice nuns, in trying to validate us i suppose), versus the manifest faith of evangelicalism, though this was quite sparse in my heavily Catholic area (thank God for radio).
As for continuity of faith being a reason, not only does this require some selective reading, but it makes Scripture a secondary source, rather than being the standard it is shown to be.
He would not have found a separate class of ordained men called priests (or basically restricted to those who have the gift of celibacy)
or infant baptism,
or prayers for or to the departed,
or indulgences to gain deliverance for souls in Rome’s purgatory,
or exhortations to submit to a supreme magistrate over all in Rome, much less a demigod caesariopapacy,
nor presumed perpetual assured formulaic infallibility,
or the church led by grossly immoral men, with a high percentage of homosexual clergy,
or largely characterized by perfunctory professions and confidence in ritual,
nor ruling over those without by force, or waging war against theological dissenters with the sword of men,
etc.
Yet this did not exclude that enough truth was preserved that souls could be saved by looking to Christ past the accumulate trappings of institutionalized religion, which exists within Protestantism as well, but the body is not one member but many.
Such as?
We hear that charge all the time. Some specifics would be nice.
How about reading the Scripture all those church fathers wrote about instead of their opinions about said Scripture?
You'd be further ahead becoming familiar with the Christ of the Bible than the books of the saints who know the apostles who.......
Go to the source!
Of course I have but those aren’t the apostles are they. If Mary was to be elevated to the status Catholics have placed her the apostles surely would have indicated such. They didn’t. In fact, after the ascension Mary is never mentioned again.
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