Posted on 05/25/2012 5:44:19 PM PDT by Salvation
So did Brett Favre...... Seriousely no on ever prays to another person alive or dead besides God the Father in the name of Jesus. You can ask someone to intercede or pray for you but the prayer is always for God's help and he's not too busy to listen and he doesn't need little gods helping him.
This is the amazing thing about the veil of the temple tearing when Jesus died. It is certainly one of the most important and least understood happenings in the entire bible. It forever ended the need to take your petitions to someone other than Abba father.
So did Brett Favre...... Seriousely no on ever prays to another person alive or dead besides God the Father in the name of Jesus. You can ask someone to intercede or pray for you but the prayer is always for God's help and he's not too busy to listen and he doesn't need little gods helping him.
This is the amazing thing about the veil of the temple tearing when Jesus died. It is certainly one of the most important and least understood happenings in the entire bible. It forever ended the need to take your petitions to someone other than Abba father.
To pray does not imply that we can only ask God for favors. We can ask anyone for favors, especially the saints in heaven, who, contrary to protestant popular opinion, are very much alive and well, not to mention holy. Jesus himself said that God is not the God of the dead, but OF THE LIVING (Luke 20:38). Paul says that the saints in heaven are our witnesses (Hebrews 12:1). Presumably one has to be alive to witness to a judge on behalf of somebody.
Genesis 33:9-12: But Esau said, "I have enough, my brother; keep what you have for yourself." Jacob said, "No, I PRAY you, if I have found favor in your sight, then accept my present from my hand; for truly to see your face is like seeing the face of God, with such favor have you received me. Accept, I pray you, my gift that is brought to you, because God has dealt graciously with me, and because I have enough." Thus he urged him, and he took it. Then Esau said, "Let us journey on our way, and I will go before you."
(**NOTE – Here Jacob is “praying” to his brother Esau.)
Genesis 40:7-8: So he asked Pharaoh's officers who were with him in custody in his master's house, "Why are your faces downcast today?" They said to him, "We have had dreams, and there is no one to interpret them." And Joseph said to them, "Do not interpretations belong to God? Tell them to me, I PRAY you."
(**NOTE – Here Joseph is “praying” to Pharaoh’s officers.)
Proverbs 21:13: He who closes his ear to the cry of the poor will himself cry out and not be heard.
http://www.catholicbible101.com/howtopray.htm
Wake up make a big pot of coffee!
If you disagree throw your bible out. Just making a point do not.
There is a big difference between humbly asking a departed loved one to pray for you and trying to conjure them up to pump them for information. Saying, "Honey, please pray for me because I need help right now" is not the same as holding a seance, and that is all there is to it.
Only conjuring up saints and angels is forbidden by the Bible. Talking to those in heaven is not forbidden.
In fact, it is encouraged, for in the Psalms we pray to the angels to ask them to join us in worshipping God:
"Bless the LORD, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hearkening to the voice of his word! Bless the LORD, all his hosts, his ministers that do his will!" (Psalm 103:20-21).
"Praise the LORD! Praise the LORD from the heavens, praise him in the heights! Praise him, all his angels, praise him, all his host!" (Psalm 148:1-2).
Ahhhh...I see...Couldn't answer the question again so throw in a little condescension to change the subject...
Old English used to use the phrase “Pray tell me” when a question was asked.
No, pray doesn't simply mean to ask...Pray is used a number of different ways in the scriptures...One way it is also used is to worship...
Apparently you know little about that word yourself...
To pray does not imply that we can only ask God for favors. We can ask anyone for favors, especially the saints in heaven, who, contrary to protestant popular opinion, are very much alive and well, not to mention holy.
There is no way for anyone to know if there are Catholic Saints in heaven...The Saint you pray to may not even be there...What a waste of a prayer, in that case...
Paul says that the saints in heaven are our witnesses (Hebrews 12:1).
Paul did not say that...You are adding words to the scriptures... Paul said there's a cloud of witnesses...That cloud may be angels...And the few Catholics that apparently were able to skip 'purgatory' wouldn't seem to make a cloud...
While you guys do apparently ask Saints and Mary for favors, it has too often been observed that you guys pray to Mary to give her honor as the Queen of Heaven and the many other titles... That's not praying (asking for a favor)...That's praying (worship)...
Bravado! Answers! Really? Like you have not been there and done it with your view or the same opposite view? How many threads have you or me or anyone helped run up with the same old and same old. Why this is not even near a thousand replies.
And by the way did you hear this one"..........".............and what about this one...................... Rehashed lathered lawyering. Repeat city with the same cast. Go back to central casting for your show. Too many reruns with the same people.
Oh well....good luck.
Oh well....good luck.
mark
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