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To: Jeff Head

The Holy Ghost was taught then, and clear back to the founding of the Church, just as it was in the New Testament
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AH “taught” ???

You mention the Christian Bible ...

What about the Old Testament of the Bible ???

The Holy Ghost was present right at the first verse Genesis 1:1

Th the beginning, God...

God the Father, God the Word and God the Holy Spirit..

Then when we look at the New Testament, the last Book of the Bible...there arte only those two...

we find in John 1:1 again In the Begining...

This time John is speaking of the second person of the Trinity, the Word..God..

Read this Jeffie and learn something...

You are sadly unschooled in the things of God..
John goes on to say...

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word WAS God..John 1:1

Then John goes back to mention Genesis

the same (the Word) was IN THE BEGINNIG with God

Then John tells us that the Word created everythging

All things were made by Him...

You see Jeffie when God opened His mouth and spoke and said “Let there be light” there was absolutely NOTHING...

But whenb He spoke out of His mouth came (What or who Jeffie thats right5 kid) the WORD...

The WORD came out of the mouth of God and did what ???

He created ...Light...in that Light was life..

What was the Light Jeffie ???

Yes

the Word of God...

Who later took on flesh and became the LORD Jesus Christ...

Dont argue with me because you have no learnin and you dont understand what happened

ask the Holy Spirit...

He was there too...

OK so here we have established that the Word was there in the beginning and Light was created...

and so was everything else...

The heavens, the Earth, the plants, the fish, birds animals...

and yes Adam...and his wife, Eve...

and Jeffie when God brought Eve to Adam He was marrying them...

They had sex in the Garden of Eden...

It was not a sin...

They were married by Pastor God...

Their sin which caused the downfall of man was their disobedience to God in eating the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil...

Here Adam and Eve were romping through the Garden buck naked, eternal honeymoon..

Taking to God, playing with the animals, smelling the flowers picking the fruit.. apples included...that was not the forbidden fruit...

but when they sinned all that stopped...

God tossed them out of the Garden and put angels with fiery swords at the gates so thet they could not eat the fruit from that other tree, the Tree of Life which would cause them to live forever...

Thats why we all are born into sin ...because of the awful sin of Adam..

Sin, evil distruction, death, murder, rape robbery, terrorism, false religion came into the world because of the first Adam...

But the last Adam is the Word...who became flesh and dwelled among us...John 1:14

The Word of God did not have any flesh just as God the Father has not flesh, just as God the Holy spirit has no flesh...

When Mary became pregnant without the aid of sex with man or Mormon god, then the Word took on flesh right from conception as any other human baby does...

Ignorant men not understanding the abilities, the Power, the miracles of God thought at one time that Mary had to have had se3x with a male in order to conceive...

But God Almighty is just that...Almighty...He can do anything...beyond the puny imagination of man...

If He could speak the world into being from nothing and make a human Adam His greatest creation from a handful of dirt and without the sex act...

There is no reason to believe that He didnt create the LORD Jesus Christ in the womb of a little unmarried virgin without the aid of man or Mormon god...

God can do anything...

As He said to Mary when she wondered “NOTHING is impossible for God”

So Jeffie the Word of God became flesh and dwelled among us...

and then John goes on to tell us more...

But if you are interested at all then you need to go to a Christian bookstore or Walmart or B&N and get yourself a Bible and read it...

Because you have a confused idea of just who the Holy Spirit really is...

For instance why did the Holy Spirit have to be present when the LORD Jesus was baptised in water by John ???

Well Jeffie the Word was God but up till that time Jesus did not have the power of God...

He did after the Holy Spirit anointed Him at the River Jordan...

As Luke in the 4th Chapter tells us He said in the Temple later (quoting Isaiah 61) “The SPIRIT of the LORD God is upon me because the LORD has annointed me to preach, heal, proclaim freedom, open the spiritual prisons

and proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD and the day of vengence...

comfort, give beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise”

and so on...

Well that was enough to make the legalists of His day mad and accuse Him of bashing the Jews...

Just who was that Man who walked into the Temple in Nazareth and asked for the scroll of Isaiah ???

Well Jeffie you need to read all about Him for yourself...

Since years of study seem important to you and you didnt enter Mormonism until 1970, I started studying the Christian Bible about 1950..


80 posted on 05/30/2012 11:31:20 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Dont argue with me because you have no learnin and you dont understand what happened

Mind reading is a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

83 posted on 05/30/2012 11:50:34 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Tennessee Nana
Christ Himeself indicated in the New Testament that, "I and the Father are one." He later prayeed to His Father (was He prayning to Huinself? No, I don't think so) and asked that His disciples "might be one, as we are one," when addressing the Father.

Did he mean for them all to mystically join together into one entity without body parts or passion? No, He clearly (as His prayer goes on to say) meant for them to be united and one in purpose as He and the Father are one, and He even discusses that oneness and that glory that the two of them had before the world was.

Of course Christ created the Earth and this universe, He did so expressly at the command of His Father so His Father's children could be sent here to live in mortality and so Christ Himself could come and be offered on the cross to save them...us!

In Genesis they speak of that plurality when speaking of Admm and Eve's transgression and Satan's lie. Clearly Satan and the angels of Heaven were there before too, because the Old Testament indicates that they rebelled and were cast out.

Anyhow. God says in Genesis, that the man had become as one of "us". Who is the us if they are only one? The us is all three of them, God the Father, the Son and Holy Ghost, yes indeed all there, but also all three seperate and referred to by none less than God himself as being so.

He makes it clear that the lie Satan told was not, "Thou shalt become as the Gods knowing good and evil," which they did do according to God's own testimony, but that Satan's lie was, "thou shalt not surely die," which they did after being made mortal and getting cast out of the garden.

That's all right there in Genesis for all to read and it makes the point better than I can. Thank you for bringing it up.

Then back in the New Testament it makes it all the more clear at Christ's batism why the voice of God came out of Heaven at the same time the Holy Spirit descended seperately, and Christ was seperately in the water...all three seperate and distrinct. Also on the mount of transfiguration where again, God spoke, praising His Son when Peter James and John were with Him, and when Stephen the martyr was stoned, and as he died he cried out that he saw Jesus Christ sitting on the throne at the right hand of, "next" to God. He didn't say He saw Jesus as God the Father, he saw Him on the right hand next to God the Father...two distinct entities again.

Anyhow, that's all right there in the Bible, new Testament and Old.

And, OBTW, we were all there with them, because in Jeremiah we read where that Prophet is told that God knew him (Jeremiah) before he was formed in the belly, and ordained him a prophet in that pre-mortal existance. All of us were there and, as the Old Testament records, we all shouted for joy at the foundations of this Earth.

So, the evidence that explains both sets of scripture (because the Bible does not contradict itself) is clearly that they are one, one in purpose, and that there are three of them in the Godhead, The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost (that's the us and the we), all three distinct and speperate as the scriptures testify on those numerous of occassions.

It makes clear what Christ said regarding their oneness, and makes clear what was said regarding them being seperate and Christ praying to the Father, and indicating that he came to do the Father's will, not His own.

Have a great evening, Nana.

As I have said many times, we may differ in interpretation, but we are joined in Christ, because He is my Lord and Savior, jsut as He is yours, and He will settle all differences like this when He comes in His glory, and I look forward to that day and pray for it to be hastened.

87 posted on 05/30/2012 4:17:07 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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