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To: metmom

“The Catholic church cannot take responsibility for writing the Bible because it didn’t. All it’s trying to do is lay claim to it so it can claim to be the only valid authority for interpreting it.

Control access and interpretation of Scripture and to an extent, you control people’s destiny.

The writers of the NT were called church fathers AFTER the fact. How convenient....”

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You come up with the above because you reject history, the
Truth. Who did compile the Canon metmom? The “control”
objection is lame. People have free will. No one controls you, you left the faith.

The “Church Fathers”, some of them knew the Apostles.
They are called the “Apostolic Fathers.”

How can you call the Bible your authority and not state
exactly where it came from? Rejecting the RCC who gave
you your Bible, that’s ridiculous.

How the Canon of the Bible (the official catalog of inspired books) was officially declared.

362 A.D. Catholic Church’s Council of Rome defines the Canon of Holy Scripture.

382 Pope Damasus issues a listing of the present OT and NT Canon of 73 books

383 Saint Jerome translates the Latin Vulgate from Greek & Hebrew

393 Council of Hippo (North Africa) approves the present Canon of 73 books

397 Council of Constantinople produces first bound Bible (the Vulgate: previously, all
were separate books)

397 Council of Carthage (North Africa) approves the same OT and NT canon

405 Pope Saint Innocent I approves the Canon again and closes it (with 73 books)


267 posted on 05/22/2012 8:57:31 PM PDT by stpio
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To: stpio; metmom
"Official" canons did nothing more than compile into one volume those books that had ALREADY been known AND used throughout the Christian faithful communities and they taught the SAME truths that the Apostles and disciples had already established as the truths of the faith. The last book to be written was around 95 A.D., but all the others were and had been in circulation for decades and recognized AS Holy Scripture because of the authority given them by the Apostles as well as their life-changing properties within the hearts of those very believers. Having them all collected into one nice, neat volume had NO effect in their authority NOR recognition of being from the Spirit of God.

All those councils that you name NEVER varied from the exact same books that make up the 27 book New Testament. Where they differ - and they DO - is how they categorize those books that they decided to tack onto the Old Testament - which were REJECTED by the Jewish religious authorities - called the Deuterocanonicals or Apocryphals.

One thing else, your "prophet" did happen to say one thing right...there certainly WILL be shock and dismay when Jesus returns. That will be because people who are trusting that their works, merits, good deeds, sacramental participation save them, come to realize that they DO NOT and CANNOT save them. It is only by God's grace THROUGH faith that we can be saved. It means we depend upon Jesus and him alone to redeem us by His precious shed blood. It is only His blood that makes atonement for the soul and relying upon our own righteousness cancels out the grace of God. "Not by righteous deeds which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us." (Titus 3:4)

On that day of judgment, many will come before Christ and extol all the wonderful works that they did for Him, and he will say, "Depart from me ye workers of iniquity, I never knew you.". I pray people look long at hard at that point and come to the saving grace of faith in Jesus Christ as Savior. "I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain." (Galatians 2:21)

268 posted on 05/22/2012 9:56:34 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: stpio

Calling people *Catholics* and *church fathers* hundreds of years after they died does not make them so.

It’s no different than the Mormons who baptize the dead and claim them to be Mormon.

Unless those people themselves state that they were Roman Catholics, I don’t recognize anyone else’s claim that they were. It’s just a blatant attempt to validate a power grab.


272 posted on 05/23/2012 12:10:11 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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