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To: SkyPilot

**The Catholics deny the scripture, say it doesn’t mean what it says it does, look for ways to trap people, take 1/2 of argument “A” and merge it with new argument “B” and then blame the other poster for the leap, accuse others of lying and never really being Catholic, and my favorite - ridiculing their faith in Christ and telling them if come crawling back to the Catholic church they might (just might....mind you) have a shot at heaven.**

Perhaps you need to give some examples here. In what I see on FR, I do not see the Catholics lying as you say they do.

Catholics do read the Bible every day. What is your problem with that? Don’t you see the Daily Readings posted?

We are in the presence of God all the time as long as we haven’t committed a mortal sin, but especially in the presence of God during the Mass. And especially when that REAL PRESENCE OF JESUS CHRIST is received reverently in Holy Communion.

Do you remember?


187 posted on 05/20/2012 1:34:46 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation; daniel1212
The scores of debates here on FR and the "push back" former Catholics who declare themselves born again Christians are there for all to see. Add this one to the pile.

Catholics do read the Bible every day.

Very, very few Catholics read scripture on a regular basis. My experience (and I am not alone in this whatsoever) was that the church highly discouraged independent bible study.

There are many sources for that, but I will simply post one posted on this very thread by daniel1212:

42.1% of Evangelical Protestants and 7.1% of Catholics Read Scripture weekly or more.

In my experience, those number are pretty accurate. We could argue the mean, the mode, and the standard deviation - or find other sources. Honest sources will almost universally be in agreement that the study of scripture is a very low priority for Catholics. The simple truth is that the great majority of Catholics do the exact opposite of what you said they do regarding the study of scripture.

We are in the presence of God all the time as long as we haven’t committed a mortal sin

Where in scripture is "mortal sin" listed? Chapter and verse please.

You won't find it. You see.....this is the problem. You are spouting Catholic doctrine, Catholic tradition, Catholic invention. There is no such distinction as "mortal sin" or "venial sin." Sin is sin. The Bible addresses it as such. The Bible does not teach (as the Catholic church does) that some sins are worthy of eternal punishment and some are not. It teaches that all of us have sinned (Romans 3:23).

I keep hearkening back to your one comment from your post to me:

What is your problem with that?

Well, I could turn try and turn the tables and ask you the very same question. In fact, I posted very early on in this thread that people would have "a problem" with allowing former Catholics professing salvation through faith in Jesus alone to not be allowed to rest.

This is a fundamental issue. In fact, it is THE issue for humanity: how can we be reunited with God? Since the fall of Adam, this has been the issue.

The difference between you and I is that I profess being saved by Grace through Faith alone in Jesus Christ; and you profess what the Catholic church teaches.

If you want to stand on that side of the river, you have every right to do that. You cannot be argued into the Kingdom of God. Believe what you want and stay with your faith if that is what you choose to do. You may disbelieve my faith if you wish.

However, I will bear witness when I feel called upon to tell people what Christ did for me. In fact, that is the 'Great Commission' that Christ gave to us in Matthew 28:16-20, isn't it?

189 posted on 05/20/2012 2:07:11 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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