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To: SkyPilot
When someone first told me about the concept of Grace, I about fell out of my chair.

I learned about Grace from studying the Baltimore Catechism, back in the early 60s.

179 posted on 05/20/2012 10:38:48 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
The concept of "Grace" taught by the Roman Catholic church in Catechism is 180 degrees out of phase in what a Bible believing Christian bases their entire salvation.

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Right at the centre of the division which occurred between Catholicism and the first Protestant reformers right back in the sixteenth century was the question concerning the nature and means of Justification.......So the Reformers of the sixteenth century defined justification as the act of reconciliation flowing from the grace of God through the imputation of Christ's righteousness to the sinner, and received by faith - irrespective of any progress in sanctification at that point. Catholicism. however, regards justification as equivalent to the whole process of salvation, not just it's inception, as flowing from the grace of God and as taking effect through the infusion of the very righteousness of God into the human soul. One could summarize this by saying that the Protestant view was - and is - that justification equals justification by faith, while the Roman Catholic position is that justification equals justification by faith, and works, including due acceptance and appropriation of the role of the sacraments.

These are entirely two different view of Grace (Catholic vs. Protestant).

Catholic "Grace" is not the the same concept at all of Grace that a Bible believing Christian knows has saved them from Hell.

From the link:

" . Once the repentant believer comes under divine grace, he or she will not fall away and be lost, there is no concept of law still standing over the believer, who is now declared righteous in the very court of Heaven. (John 10:27-29; Romans 8: the entire chapter; Ephesians 1:11-14; 2 Corinthians 1:21-22; 2 Corinthians 5:5). Even such recipients of God's grace as David and Samson were never rejected despite their considerable failings. 2. The grace of God covers all sins as long as one lives in a continual attitude of humility and repentance. (1 John 1:6-10; 2:1-2; Romans 8:1; 2 Corinthians 5:18-21). If one is arrogant and refuses to acknowledge, or repent of sins, this would simply confirm that such a person was never under God's grace. We may also see, then, that the Catholic has a much 'lower' view of grace than the Protestant, and a far higher view of what men and women can accomplish under their own steam! Catholicism also teaches a very high view of their own church laws and requirements, this is because they passionately believe that the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven were given to them alone (Matthew 16:19). From this authority they believe that their own traditions stand equal in importance to Scripture. But in contrast to Catholicism's numerous requirements, Paul writes, 23. Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. 24. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. 25. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law. 26. You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27. for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.(Galatians 3:23-29).

"God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can't take credit for this; it is a gift from God."

Ephesians 2:8

180 posted on 05/20/2012 11:14:24 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SuziQ

I learned about Grace from studying the Baltimore Catechism, back in the early 60s.

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SuziQ, Natural Law, everyone reading this thread,

Have you ever read the writings of Father Matthias Scheeben?

I love his book, The Glories of Divine Grace. It might
be on the Net to read.


197 posted on 05/20/2012 8:55:46 PM PDT by stpio
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