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To: GiovannaNicoletta
As always a great post. I agree with you.

That was pretty straight forward right? God made an “everlasting covenant” with Israel and they have an “everlasting possession” of their land. How could anyone say that God broke His covenant with Israel after reading that? The last time I checked God was the same yesterday, today, and forever (Hebrews 13:8). If God can abandon Israel, who’s to say that He wouldn’t abandon His covenant with the church?

Great Point!

I think we can forcefully disagree with theologians and church leaders that believe in supersessionism, but most Christians don't understand the point you just made that "if God can abandon Israel, who's to say that He wouldn't abandon His covenant with the church?".

It seems clear to me that most Christians have a hard time understanding The Revelation of Jesus Christ because of supsessionism. If you read this book from the perspective that Christians are not there and it is about God taking the blinders off Israel it is easy to understand. Where dispensationalists diminish their credibility is by stating that Israel does not have to come to faith in Jesus Christ to be saved.

30 posted on 05/01/2012 11:27:30 AM PDT by wmfights
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To: wmfights
most Christians don't understand the point you just made that "if God can abandon Israel, who's to say that He wouldn't abandon His covenant with the church?".

If the Scripture in which the eternal, unbreakable promises that God made to Israel can be denied, then the entire Bible has to be denied, including the sections of the New Testament that Christians believe detail the plan of salvation God provided to the world.

We don't want to be fraudulent, dishonest hypocrites, right? If God breaks His promises, and has broken His promises to His covenant people, the Jews, then He has broken His promises to Gentiles who mistakenly believe they are born again based on the information God has given in His Scriptures.

Where dispensationalists diminish their credibility is by stating that Israel does not have to come to faith in Jesus Christ to be saved.

No dipensationalist I've ever heard or read, with the possible exception of John Hagee and what he actually said has been debated, has ever claimed that there is different path to salvation for Israel apart from Jesus Christ.

And one of the many, many ways that those who cling to the demonic doctrine of replacement theology, in direct and open rebellion and contradiction to the Word of God, lose whatever credibility they may have left after defending replacement theology against all Scriptural proofs against it, is by claiming that God made absolutely no provision for the salvation of Old Testament Jews and Gentiles simply because He chose not to send Jesus Christ at that particular time.

31 posted on 05/01/2012 11:47:30 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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