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Romney's religion: Who are evangelicals to question Mormonism?
Baltimore Sun ^
| 04/27/2012
| David Horsey
Posted on 04/27/2012 1:56:28 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Jokes about polygamy and funny long underwear aside, Mitt Romney's Mormon faith has not been, and will not become, a factor in the presidential campaign of 2012.
I have a friend who wishes that were not so. She thinks it's creepy that Mormons comb genealogical records to find people to retroactively baptize into the church -- people who were not Mormons when they were alive and probably would not want to be Mormons if they still were. Knowing that the one constant in Mr. Romney's otherwise malleable set of beliefs is his religion, my friend cannot understand why the Obama campaign has not raised the oddities of Mormonism as an issue.
It is not going to happen. The Obama campaign gurus are wise enough to know there is nothing to gain by opening up the can of very fat worms that is religion.
I thought about this last week as I was driving down the King Kamehameha Highway on Oahu after sunset. As I approached the small town of La'ie, I noticed a bright glow in the darkness off to the right. When I got close enough, I could see where the light was coming from: the illuminated Mormon temple. It was like finding the Lincoln Memorial in the middle of a jungle; that is how out of context it seemed.
Yet, in La'ie, the temple is the center of the community. Nearby was the Hawaii campus of Brigham Young University and the sprawling Polynesian Cultural Center -- a Disney-quality re-creation of traditional life in the Pacific Islands, run by the Mormon Church.
(Excerpt) Read more at baltimoresun.com ...
TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; Other Christian; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: evangelical; inman; mormon; romney
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To: Salvation
LOL! at that article of falsehoods.Is that ALL you've got?
Accusation?
Show a FALSEHOOD, or get labeled an Accuser of the Brethen.
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posted on
04/28/2012 4:09:28 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
To: SeekAndFind
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posted on
04/28/2012 4:10:18 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
To: SeekAndFind
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posted on
04/28/2012 4:19:08 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
To: SeekAndFind; aMorePerfectUnion; Godzilla; Tennessee Nana; caww; colorcountry; reaganaut; ...
Lurkers: This is how the game is played here:
Logical fallacies hide the truth, so pointing them out is very useful.
1. Ad Hominem - Attacking the individual instead of the argument.
Example: You are so stupid your argument couldn't possibly be true.
Example: I figured that you couldn't possibly get it right, so I ignored your comment.
2. Appeal to Force - Telling the hearer that something bad will happen to him if he does not accept the argument.
Example: If you don't want to get beaten up, you will agree with what I say.
Example: Convert or die.
3. Appeal to Pity - Urging the hearer to accept the argument based upon an appeal to emotions, sympathy, etc.
Example: You owe me big time because I really stuck my neck out for you.
Example: Oh come on, I've been sick. That's why I missed the deadline.
4. Appeal to the Popular - Urging the hearer to accept a position because a majority of people hold to it.
Example: The majority of people like soda. Therefore, soda is good.
Example: Everyone else is doing it. Why shouldn't you?
5. Appeal to Tradition - Trying to get someone to accept something because it has been done or believed for a long time.
Example: This is the way we've always done it. Therefore, it is the right way.
Example: The Catholic church's tradition demonstrates that this doctrine is true.
6. Begging the Question - Assuming the thing to be true that you are trying to prove. It is circular.
Example: God exists because the Bible says so. The Bible is inspired. Therefore, we know that God exists.
Example: I am a good worker because Frank says so. How can we trust Frank? Simple: I will vouch for him.
7. Cause and Effect - Assuming that the effect is related to a cause because the events occur together.
Example: When the rooster crows, the sun rises. Therefore, the rooster causes the sun to rise.
Example: When the fuel light goes on in my car, I soon run out of gas. Therefore, the fuel light causes my car to run out of gas.
8. Circular Argument - See Begging the Question
Fallacy of Division - Assuming that what is true of the whole is true for the parts.
Example: That car is blue. Therefore, its engine is blue.
Example: Your family is weird. That means that you are weird too.
9. Fallacy of Equivocation - Using the same term in an argument in different places but the word has different meanings.
Example: A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Therefore, a bird is worth more than President Bush.
Example: Evolution states that one species can change into another. We see that cars have evolved into different styles. Therefore, since evolution is a fact in cars, it is true in species.
10. False Dilemma - Giving two choices when in actuality there could be more choices possible.
Example: You either did knock the glass over or you did not. Which is it? (Someone else could have knocked the glass over)
Example: Do you still beat your wife?
11. Genetic Fallacy - Attempting to endorse or disqualify a claim because of the origin or irrelevant history of the claim.
Example: The Nazi regime developed the Volkswagen Beetle. Therefore, you should not buy a VW Beetle because of who started it.
Example: Frank just got out of jail last year; since it was his idea to start the hardware store, I can't trust him.
12. Guilt by Association - Rejecting an argument or claim because the person proposing it likes someone whom is disliked by another.
Example: Hitler liked dogs. Therefore dogs are bad.
Example: Your friend is a thief. Therefore, I cannot trust you.
13. Non Sequitur - Comments or information that do not logically follow from a premise or the conclusion.
Example: We know why it rained today: because I washed my car.
Example: I don't care what you say. We don't need any more bookshelves. As long as the carpet is clean, we are fine.
14. Poisoning the Well - Presenting negative information about a person before he/she speaks so as to discredit the person's argument.
Example: Frank is pompous, arrogant, and thinks he knows everything. So, let's hear what Frank has to say about the subject.
Example: Don't listen to him because he is a loser.
15. Red Herring - Introducing a topic not related to the subject at hand.
Example: I know your car isn't working right. But, if you had gone to the store one day earlier, you'd not be having problems.
Example: I know I forgot to deposit the check into the bank yesterday. But, nothing I do pleases you.
16. Special Pleading (double standard) - Applying a standard to another that is different from a standard applied to oneself.
Example: You can't possibly understand menopause because you are a man.
Example: Those rules don't apply to me since I am older than you.
17. Straw Man Argument - Producing an argument about a weaker representation of the truth and attacking it.
Example: The government doesn't take care of the poor because it doesn't have a tax specifically to support the poor.
Example: We know that evolution is false because we did not evolve from monkeys.
18. Category Mistake - Attributing a property to something that could not possibly have that property. Attributing facts of one kind are attributed to another kind. Attributing to one category that which can only be properly attributed to another.
Example: Blue sleeps faster than Wednesday.
Example: Saying logic is transcendental is like saying cars would exist if matter didn't.
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posted on
04/28/2012 4:22:41 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
To: SZonian
Well; it’s TRUE!
You are the best example of an invective I’ve found!
—MormonDude(But we’ll STILL take you back. Remember; 10% ain’t all THAT much...)
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posted on
04/28/2012 4:25:21 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
To: Salvation
Catholics have the true Church founded by Jesus Christ on the Apostles the first Bishops.Mine is built upon the solid Rock.
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posted on
04/28/2012 4:27:30 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
To: SeekAndFind
What better for a police state in embryo than a godlet in embryo?
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posted on
04/28/2012 7:18:02 AM PDT
by
Psalm 144
(The 4 Corners of the Willard base: NWO, LDS, LGBT, NYSE)
To: NEMDF
I think the time will be coming, later on, that we will see this hornet's nest stirred up. Simply because it hasn't happened yet does not mean they are not planning to use this I agree...However this became an issue on 08' for Romney so he is well prepped and coached by his churches big boys NOT to go there.. he will speak in only generalities if that. Many times already he's repeated the "script" to reporters and journalists...and he does so reptitively until they move on to something else...so it's going to take a hardheaded journalits to crack that egg.
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posted on
04/28/2012 9:05:42 PM PDT
by
caww
To: Cicero
Mormons dont seem to make that distinction. There really is a blindess which they cannot see thru there process of indoctrination.....and it's very deceptive and well tuned. In time the ability for critical thinking can be lost entirely for some and altered considerably for others. Fear tactics work to keep many in line as well.
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posted on
04/28/2012 9:11:59 PM PDT
by
caww
To: Elsie
Yes, you’re right it is most of them. I guess I was trying to be charitable.
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