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To: Abathar
This stuff always stuns me. Does the First Amendment mean nothing? Why should a civil court system approach a religious organization and declare, "You're doing it wrong?"

Religious groups should have their own rules -- barring force or fraud -- they should call their own shots.

3 posted on 04/26/2012 8:39:54 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Like Emmett Till, Trayvon Martin has become simply a stick with which to beat Whites.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
"barring force or fraud"

Never, ever, let fraud be mentioned when the subject of faith comes up, especially in the eyes of a court.

6 posted on 04/26/2012 8:44:25 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Like Muslim groups?


7 posted on 04/26/2012 8:47:29 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: ClearCase_guy
This stuff always stuns me. Does the First Amendment mean nothing? Why should a civil court system approach a religious organization and declare, "You're doing it wrong?" Religious groups should have their own rules -- barring force or fraud -- they should call their own shots.

Barring force or fraud, you're absolutely correct.

That's why Islam is not a 1st Amendment religion, however - it refuses to remove its force or fraud.

Interestingly, the Catholic Church has just as bloody a history as Islam. But the RCC is based ont he teaching of Jesus, which overcame its internal corruptiona and forced it (at least nominally) to drop the barbarism. And one of the was Jesus did this is through the rise of Protestantism, to provide a counterforce to challenge church corruption.

But how can such a counter-force arise in Islam, when Mohammed's own life and teachings read like some sort of pornographic chainsaw massacre? There have been genuine Muslim saints throughout history (and of course the beautiful offshoot of Sufism), but they were all put to the sword, driven out and marginalized. Most people can't even believe there were any Muslim saints at all - but why wouldn't God try to save Muslims, too?

I guess I got somewhat off track, LOL. Anyway, the whole idea of a "1st Amendment Religion" needs to be considered very carefully, rather than some undiscriminated idea of religion as "anything." Because the Muslims are infiltrating this country - and look around, ALL countries - under the guise of a religion, but actually as declared enemies of the whole world. And once in, they're getting into the political structure as well. So let's see, Muslim politicians and representatives and bureaucrats - what could possibly go wrong?

24 posted on 04/26/2012 9:12:08 AM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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