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To: Colofornian
OK what do you think would happen if Billy Bob stole $10,000 from you, came to you and begged you forgiveness and pays you back and you refuse to forgive him then what? How many times do you do this?

Yet we are free to forgive someone even whom can not pay for their wrong or debt. We are also free but not obligated to forgive those who have not asked for it. It is better we do so really. Forgiveness of others is for our own sake and well being. Hanging on to a grudge which has been asked to be forgiven is like a cancer and it festers and takes over.

Did the men the Romans who placed Christ on the cross ask forgiveness? Did the Jewish leaders who demanded his death? Yet to fulfill all righteousness while dieing on the cross Jesus said, “Father, forgive these people, because they don’t know what they are doing.” He forgave them tho they did not ask forgiveness.

Look I know of persons ministries some call them almost heretics because they are not the ones the minister is trying to reach. Case in point Joyce Myers. That name should stir a hornets nest. Most persons are quite turned off by her. Yet she has helped many in her testimony on forgiveness and she had a lot happen to her too forgive. That is the main focus of her ministry. My dearest tunes in every week and it has helped. She too has had a lot done to her since very early childhood that she has worked on for years trying to forgive.

A sermon in a way is like someone bringing you platters of food you didn't order and half or part of the food you like and half you can not either eat of don't like it. So do you throw out the entire platter? Or do you gain nourishment and enjoyment from what you do like and need?

I'm glad I'm not Catholic because I unconditionally loathe the taste of fish. Forget it I'm not eating it I don't care who says too unless The Lord Himself tells me I must. I'm sure good Catholics eat fish on Friday because I've heard it all my life and every Friday in public school was fish day. I packed a lunch.

Show me just about any church and given time I could very likely find a not so proud moment in it's past, a practice other churches do not do, a belief other churches reject, flaws in dogma or doctrines, etc. It has literally brought people too war throughout history trying to either force conversion {impossible to do} or rid a nation of a belief other than the sanctioned church.

337 posted on 04/27/2012 12:31:37 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe; Jeff Head
I'm glad I'm not Catholic because I unconditionally loathe the taste of fish.

You probably like OTHER meat; right?

Be glad you ain't a WORTHY Mormon, who has a Temple Recommend!

They are not supposed to eat MEAT in warm weather!

Right, Jeff?

350 posted on 04/27/2012 4:42:57 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: cva66snipe; Jeff Head
 
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 89
 
Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Kirtland, Ohio, February 27, 1833. HC 1: 327–329. As a consequence of the early brethren using tobacco in their meetings, the Prophet was led to ponder upon the matter; consequently he inquired of the Lord concerning it. This revelation, known as the Word of Wisdom, was the result. The first three verses were originally written as an inspired introduction and description by the Prophet.
 
1–9, Use of wine, strong drinks, tobacco, and hot drinks proscribed; 10–17, Herbs, fruits, flesh, and grain are ordained for the use of man and of animals; 18–21, Obedience to gospel law, including the Word of Wisdom, brings temporal and spiritual blessings.
 
  1 A aWord OF Wisdom, for the benefit of the council of high priests, assembled in Kirtland, and the church, and also the saints in Zion—
  2 To be sent greeting; not by commandment or constraint, but by revelation and the aword of wisdom, showing forth the order and bwill of God in the temporal salvation of all saints in the last days—
  3 Given for a principle with apromise, adapted to the capacity of the bweak and the weakest of all csaints, who are or can be called saints.
  4 Behold, verily, thus saith the Lord unto you: In consequence of aevils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of bconspiring men in the last days, I have cwarned you, and forewarn you, by giving unto you this word of wisdom by revelation—
  5 That inasmuch as any man adrinketh bwine or strong drink among you, behold it is not good, neither meet in the sight of your Father, only in assembling yourselves together to offer up your sacraments before him.
  6 And, behold, this should be wine, yea, apure wine of the grape of the vine, of your own make.
  7 And, again, astrong drinks are not for the belly, but for the washing of your bodies.
  8 And again, tobacco is not for the abody, neither for the belly, and is not good for man, but is an herb for bruises and all sick cattle, to be used with judgment and skill.
  9 And again, hot drinks are not for the body or belly.
  10 And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome aherbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man—
  11 Every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with aprudence and bthanksgiving.
  12 Yea, aflesh also of bbeasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used csparingly;
  13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be aused, only in times of winter, or of cold, or bfamine.
  14 All agrain is ordained for the use of man and of beasts, to be the staff of life, not only for man but for the beasts of the field, and the fowls of heaven, and all wild animals that run or creep on the earth;
  15 And athese hath God made for the use of man only in times of famine and excess of hunger.
  16 All grain is good for the afood of man; as also the bfruit of the vine; that which yieldeth fruit, whether in the ground or above the ground—
  17 Nevertheless, wheat for man, and corn for the ox, and oats for the horse, and rye for the fowls and for swine, and for all beasts of the field, and barley for all useful animals, and for mild drinks, as also other grain.
  18 And all saints who remember to keep and do these sayings, walking in obedience to the commandments, ashall receive bhealth in their navel and marrow to their bones;
  19 And shall afind bwisdom and great ctreasures of dknowledge, even hidden treasures;
  20 And shall arun and not be bweary, and shall walk and not faint.
  21 And I, the Lord, give unto them a promise, that the adestroying angel shall bpass by them, as the children of Israel, and not slay them. Amen.



351 posted on 04/27/2012 4:44:27 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: cva66snipe
Hanging on to a grudge which has been asked to be forgiven is like a cancer and it festers and takes over.

OK...I give up. (You lost me)

Who's hangin' onto any grudge?

(1) I'm not ex-Mormon;
(2) MY Lds family/relatives are dear people whom I love -- none have offended me re: any relational interactions

Do you just go around judging complete strangers' personal inward motivations?

374 posted on 04/27/2012 4:40:31 PM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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