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To: Elsie
I know of none running for President.

Yet they played a major roll in this nations founding. Jefferson was POTUS number three. So IOW if we had a modern Thomas Jefferson a man who help his political beliefs on freedom, rights, and roll of government you would not vote for him?

I reject Romney based on his long standing liberal political record alone. That is very sufficent. Attacking his religous beliefs does him no harm and your cause no favors. It may well backfire on you.

301 posted on 04/26/2012 6:01:14 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe; Elsie; Jeff Head
Jefferson was POTUS number three. So IOW if we had a modern Thomas Jefferson a man who help his political beliefs on freedom, rights, and roll of government you would not vote for him? I reject Romney based on his long standing liberal political record alone. That is very sufficent. Attacking his religous beliefs does him no harm and your cause no favors. It may well backfire on you.

Since when has vociferously addressing open idolatry become such a taboo topic? (Especially when it's imported by the idolaters into the political arena)

Jefferson may have at times treated authority like he was God -- snipping out the supernatural elements of his "Jefferson Bible" -- but I don't think he attempted to export to the world that he was indeed an out-and-out rival to THE true and living God.

Can temple Mormons like Romney claim the same?

May I remind you exactly what the Mormon church has been teaching on this...during the years when Romney was age 22 -- the year he first entered BYU -- into his 30s & beyond???

Many people know of Spencer W. Kimball, the 12th "prophet" of the Lds church (1973-1985), as the man who allowed blacks to become Mormon priests in 1978.

But did you know Mormonism teaches you are all "gods in embryo"???(And Kimball was one of its key proponents)

Did you know that Mormonism teaches the false "gospel" of self-transformation -- of pulling yourself up by the bootstraps to become a god? (And Kimball was one of its key proponents)

Spencer W. Kimball on these very topics:

1969 "Being a god in embryo with the seeds of godhood neatly tucked away in him, and with the power to become a god eventually, man need not despair...he must...transform himself..." (Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, pp. 173-174)

A couple he was advising in Kimball's office "did not understand that forgiveness is not a thing of days or months or even years but is a matter of intensity of feeling and transformation of self...This couple seemed to have no conception of satisfying the Lord, of paying the total penalties and obtaining a release..." (Ibid, p. 156)

To Kimball, you had to "pay the total penalties" for your sin -- vs. that being a role occupied by the true Jesus Christ.

September, 1974: Man can transform himself and he must. Man has in himself the seeds of godhood, which can germinate and grow and develop. As the acorn becomes the oak, the mortal man becomes a god. It is within his power to lift himself by his very bootstraps from the plane on which he finds himself to the plane on which he should be. It may be a long, hard lift with many obstacles, but it is a real possibility. Source: http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=6057 (Spencer W. Kimball speech entitled Be Ye Therefore Perfect 9/17/74 devotional address @ BYU)

1975: Man is created in the image of God. He is a god in embryo. He has the seeds of godhood within him, and he can, if he is normal, pick himself up by his bootstraps and literally move himself from where he is to where he shows he should be." Source: http://emp.byui.edu/marrottr/LovevsLust.pdf, "Love vs. Lust," Spencer W. Kimball, Provo: BYU Publications, 1975

November 1977: Self-mastery, then, is the key, and every person should study his own life, his own desires and wants and cravings, and bring them under control. Man can transform himself and he must. Man has in himself the seeds of godhood, which can germinate and grow and develop. As the acorn becomes the oak, the mortal man becomes a god. It is within his power to lift himself by his very bootstraps from the plane on which he finds himself to the plane on which he should be. It may be a long, hard lift with many obstacles, but it is a real possibility. To be perfect, one can turn to many areas as a starting place....As we have stated before, the way to perfection seems to be a changing of one’s life—to substitute the good for the evil in every case. Source: By President Spencer W. Kimball An address given to students of Weber State College, Ogden, Utah on 4 November 1977 http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&locale=0&sourceId=244ed0640b96b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD

July, 1978 Ensign Magazine: Lds church officially endorses Kimball Weber State College comments by publishing them in their official magazine

This quote also becomes part of Chapter 19 of what Lds officially teach college students in their Institute curricula: See http://institute.lds.org/manuals/doctrines-of-the-gospel-student-manual/doc-gosp-11-20-19.asp

I have similar quotes from Lds professor-editors @ BYU -- men who taught @ BYU the same years Romney attended (1969-1971).

328 posted on 04/26/2012 10:45:00 PM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: cva66snipe
So IOW if we had a modern Thomas Jefferson a man who help his political beliefs on freedom, rights, and roll of government you would not vote for him?

Who ran against him?

340 posted on 04/27/2012 4:07:36 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: cva66snipe
Attacking his religous beliefs does him no harm and your cause no favors. It may well backfire on you.

You are wrong on the first, and perhaps right on the second.

I don't want the STONES crying out the things that I should have said!

Pity the person who winds up entangled in MORMONism because a fearfull Christian failed to speak out!

http://www.allaboutfollowingjesus.org/early-christian-persecution-faq.htm

341 posted on 04/27/2012 4:11:28 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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