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snipe, God bless you my friend, and I pray in the name of our Savior Jesus Christ that His healing hand, His conforting Hand, and His loving hand will be extended to you and your wife, that your example will continue to otuch and influence socres and scores of people for the good...in His name, Amen!

You are an example and inspiration to more than you know. You have shared you experience with me before and you are one of my heroes and a beacon of light for anyone with discerning eyes to see and immulate. God bless you for your srvice to this Nation, particularly in the bowels of the USS America in your time, God bless you for your faith, God bless you for your love and faith and service to your dear wife, God bless you for your steadfastness in such adversity. You have been and remain an example to me in my own condition and I thank God for people like yourself.

As I said, you both are heroes of ours.

and greyfox, if you go to that foundation’s web site you will find that the foundation there set up by the church has funded , built, and operates many hospitals and health care facilities.

The Church helps the dieased, the poor, the needy, and those in difficult circumstances all over the world through such foundations as this, through Deseret Indistries where poor folks are given jobs and then helped to gain an education, through the many service, building, health care and other missions outside of prosilyting. And this is all prvided, not by the government, but by the charity of the Church as it ought to be...and they are very effective programs. In humanitarian aid, since the mid 80s the Church has sent something over 1.5 billion dollars worth of aid out to other nations I believe, not to mention these other programs I have listed.

How much is enough? I believe, sadly, that it does not matter what I documented to you about what the LDS church does, for you it would never be enough...and I find that sad that you would even disparage the help the church gives to others by somehow indicating that, “yes, that’s nice, but you are not giving enough.” Know you not that you are starting to sound like the very liberals this forum was designed to stand against?

Anyhow, there’s plenty out there about what the Church does in terms of helping others and I am glad to take part in it whenver asked, or whenever opportunity presents itself, either through actual service, or through my offerings to those programs in addition to our tithing. May wife and I give liberally to the missionary fund, to the education funds, and with our fast offerings to help the poor and needy in addition to our tithing.

Anyhow, my real intent was once again to thank snipe for his outstanding example, his inmtegrity and his passion for and commitment to the truth.

through Deseret Indistries where poor folks are given jobs
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Jeffie those poor folks are not PAID for their work

Theyre expected to volunteer their time...

The farms and canneries of that part of Mormon Inc are like anything slse

The Mormons are suppose to give their time and money...

the Morg doesnt PAY out

It demands the members PAY it...

You dont gather HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS to yourself by giving to others..

and when the moembers are given a wee bit of money ???

Theu sign LOAN contracts

and have to pay it back

WITH INTEREST

and they are treated like beggers and thieves for asking...

DONT even try to equate the Mormon business with a real benevolent group like Catholic Charities...

It used to be so much fun to work at the farm, however I an now 76 years old and can't work like I used to. The farm is now being leased. On of the best Upicks in the valley.

I can still spend a good day at the Bishops Store House.

I'm glad for the opportunity to give to the Mission Fund and Fast Offering.

My wife's parents home burned and her father died in the fire.

The first person to see if they needed help as the Relief Society President.

The Native Tribe rebuild the house.

This good sister collected furnishing for them.

BTW They are not LDS and have no interest in the church, but they express their thanks for what help they got.

My sister in law is here house setting for her brother. She just said " How can people say such hateful things"

Jeff the most important thing we can do in this life as for spreading The Gospel is to tell what GOD's Grace has done for us. Don't look at where someone is. Judge them over years and where through GOD's Grace and guidance what they become. I do think some need to remember this verse in the Bible involving jealousy amongst believers as to who is followers of Christ.

Mark ch 9 38John said to Jesus, “Teacher, we saw a man using your name to cast out demons, but we told him to stop because he isn’t one of our group.” 39“Don’t stop him!” Jesus said. “No one who performs miracles in my name will soon be able to speak evil of me. 40Anyone who is not against us is for us. 41If anyone gives you even a cup of water because you belong to the Messiah, I assure you, that person will be rewarded.