Female Episcopal Priest Visits a Mormon Temple

The Mormon Dialogue ^ | April 23,,2012 | Danielle Tumminio

[Elsie]

Attacking his religous beliefs does him no harm and your cause no favors. It may well backfire on you.

You are wrong on the first, and perhaps right on the second.

I don't want the STONES crying out the things that I should have said!

Pity the person who winds up entangled in MORMONism because a fearfull Christian failed to speak out!

http://www.allaboutfollowingjesus.org/early-christian-persecution-faq.htm

[Elsie]

Jeff...you indeed need to 'stop' attending the temple...and more importantly 'stop' teaching false teachings which oppose the true and living Christ of Christianity.

What?

Jeff does these things?

Who knew; as he has NEVER written about them here!!

[Elsie]

A very young Paul held the garments of Stephens killers.

How do we know THIS?

[Elsie]

Ah...

The Last Mile problem.

CAble stopped about 2.5 miles from my house and tv was thru the air, 2 directional antennas (amplifiers in the house as well) and rotators to get a signal no closer than about 25 miles thru thick stands of trees.

I was fortunate enough to have a small phone company with very forward thinking folks running it.

A year and a half ago, they installed Fiber Optic lines to the far reachs of their domain.

WHAT a difference in computer speed and the TV became available as well.

Phooey with this religion stuff; as I am in Heaven NOW!!!!

[Elsie]

My power went out last year...

Farm livin' is the life for me!

I am almost at the end of the power line for this area, as there are only three other folks down the road from me before the wires just STOP!

It only took the SECOND long outage before I bought a big enough generator to power the important things in the house.

I still need to have enough GAS to last a long time, but so far the tank on the thing has been sufficient.

I should have a propane conversion carb on the thing, so I could use the heating stuff for a LONG time!

[Elsie]

Oh my!

My biggest (so far) are deer.

[Elsie]

This time of year I can’t even see my neighbors houses.

It was like that for me, the first year, until they harvested the corn!

I never knew so many OTHERS folks lived within a mile or so of me. (It's all flat here, with maybe a 10 foot change in elevation over a mile.)

[Elsie]

Remember Jarbidge?

Now THAT was remote!

[Elsie]

But the Church teaches, and I know personally that Spencer Kimball taught that the only way possible for us to “pull ourselves up” was through accepting and having the Atonement of Jesus Christ made effective in our life.

O...

K...

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I have no knowledge of what he TAUGHT; but I am aware of what the Articles of Faith SAY:

The Articles of Faith
of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
   We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
10. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may
11. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
12. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith

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[Elsie]

I'm glad I'm not Catholic because I unconditionally loathe the taste of fish.

You probably like OTHER meat; right?

Be glad you ain't a WORTHY Mormon, who has a Temple Recommend!

They are not supposed to eat MEAT in warm weather!

Right, Jeff?

[Elsie]

 

THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS

SECTION 89

 

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Kirtland, Ohio, February 27, 1833. HC 1: 327–329. As a consequence of the early brethren using tobacco in their meetings, the Prophet was led to ponder upon the matter; consequently he inquired of the Lord concerning it. This revelation, known as the Word of Wisdom, was the result. The first three verses were originally written as an inspired introduction and description by the Prophet.

 

1–9, Use of wine, strong drinks, tobacco, and hot drinks proscribed; 10–17, Herbs, fruits, flesh, and grain are ordained for the use of man and of animals; 18–21, Obedience to gospel law, including the Word of Wisdom, brings temporal and spiritual blessings.

 

  1 A ^aWord OF Wisdom, for the benefit of the council of high priests, assembled in Kirtland, and the church, and also the saints in Zion—

  2 To be sent greeting; not by commandment or constraint, but by revelation and the ^aword of wisdom, showing forth the order and ^bwill of God in the temporal salvation of all saints in the last days—

  3 Given for a principle with ^apromise, adapted to the capacity of the ^bweak and the weakest of all ^csaints, who are or can be called saints.

  4 Behold, verily, thus saith the Lord unto you: In consequence of ^aevils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of ^bconspiring men in the last days, I have ^cwarned you, and forewarn you, by giving unto you this word of wisdom by revelation—

  5 That inasmuch as any man ^adrinketh ^bwine or strong drink among you, behold it is not good, neither meet in the sight of your Father, only in assembling yourselves together to offer up your sacraments before him.

  6 And, behold, this should be wine, yea, ^apure wine of the grape of the vine, of your own make.

  7 And, again, ^astrong drinks are not for the belly, but for the washing of your bodies.

  8 And again, tobacco is not for the ^abody, neither for the belly, and is not good for man, but is an herb for bruises and all sick cattle, to be used with judgment and skill.

  9 And again, hot drinks are not for the body or belly.

  10 And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome ^aherbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man—

  11 Every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with ^aprudence and ^bthanksgiving.

  12 Yea, ^aflesh also of ^bbeasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used ^csparingly;

  13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be ^aused, only in times of winter, or of cold, or ^bfamine.

  14 All ^agrain is ordained for the use of man and of beasts, to be the staff of life, not only for man but for the beasts of the field, and the fowls of heaven, and all wild animals that run or creep on the earth;

  15 And ^athese hath God made for the use of man only in times of famine and excess of hunger.

  16 All grain is good for the ^afood of man; as also the ^bfruit of the vine; that which yieldeth fruit, whether in the ground or above the ground—

  17 Nevertheless, wheat for man, and corn for the ox, and oats for the horse, and rye for the fowls and for swine, and for all beasts of the field, and barley for all useful animals, and for mild drinks, as also other grain.

  18 And all saints who remember to keep and do these sayings, walking in obedience to the commandments, ^ashall receive ^bhealth in their navel and marrow to their bones;

  19 And shall ^afind ^bwisdom and great ^ctreasures of ^dknowledge, even hidden treasures;

  20 And shall ^arun and not be ^bweary, and shall walk and not faint.

  21 And I, the Lord, give unto them a promise, that the ^adestroying angel shall ^bpass by them, as the children of Israel, and not slay them. Amen.

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[AppyPappy]

I’ll take issue with one point.

Because they believe in Latter Day prophets, anything said 150 years ago can be overturned at any time. So instead of telling Jeff what he believes, perhaps you should ask him.

[Jeff Head]

Thy have Appy, and I have replied many times here on FR, and even placed a page on my own site regarding my witrness of faith...but they cannot accept my own witness since itr does not fit with what they say and what they know I must believe, so I am therefore a deceiver, misguided, a liar, purposefully crafting my words to fool others, etc., etc.

It's really, at least IMHO, quite sad...but they have their right to their own slant on things and I do seek God's blessings on each of them, and anyone else for their own witness and faith in Christ Jesus, even if it differs in some points of doctrine from my own. Good to talk to you, hope and trust you and yours are well and I sincerely hope we can turn our nation around, building on 2010 here in 2012 and particularly removing Obama from the White House. God's speed. BZ

[svcw]

I am so glad my God is forever.
I would be so confused if He were changing his mind all the time, wouldn’t know what I was supported to do or how to behave.
So much easier to have a consistent God Almighty, rather than one who is imperfect so that He has to change His mind because He made mistakes before.

[AppyPappy]

Genesis 6
5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. 6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them. ”

[Elsie]

So instead of telling Jeff what he believes, perhaps you should ask him.

What HE believes is irrelevant. What the LDS religious organization has PUBLISHED is not.

[Elsie]

Because they believe in Latter Day prophets, anything said 150 years ago can be overturned at any time.

You have got THAT right!!

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In conclusion let us summarize this grand key, these “Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet”, for our salvation depends on them.

1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.
2. The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.
3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.
4. The prophet will never lead the church astray.
5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.
6. The prophet does not have to say “Thus Saith the Lord,” to give us scripture.
7. The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.
8. The prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning.
9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual.
10. The prophet may advise on civic matters.
11. The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.
12. The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.
13. The prophet and his counselors make up the First Presidency—the highest quorum in the Church.
14. The prophet and the presidency—the living prophet and the First Presidency—follow them and be blessed—reject them and suffer.

I testify that these fourteen fundamentals in following the living prophet are true. If we want to know how well we stand with the Lord then let us ask ourselves how well we stand with His mortal captain—how close do our lives harmonize with the Lord’s anointed—the living Prophet—President of the Church, and with the Quorum of the First Presidency.

Ezra Taft Benson

(Address given Tuesday, February 26, 1980 at Brigham Young University)

[Godzilla]

Does this then show you the believers intended to go home?

You show no evidence to the contrary. The text indicates that these jews were from all over. Since Pentecost is one of the three mandatory feasts (see Exodus 34:23-24), it is most likely that they were going to head back to their homes and business since Luke made such an emphasis of WHERE they had come from.

44And all the believers met together constantly and shared everything they had.

LOL, now you have to resort to hyperliteralism. Come on snipe, use a little common sense. Since the focus is upon the startings of Christianity, the focus is upon the main body in Jerusalem, just doesn't pay attention to those who left after pentecost.

If you want to argue about those who spoke greek - remember that greek was the broadest accepted language of the time and Hebrew was very restricted in many aspects at that time.

Skipping redundant straw

I do not know the full reason for the persecution except it is foretold the believers were to be scattered. Staying in Jerusalem after Pentecost was not the instruction given.

What happened snipe? Are you now realizing that the persecution was NOT directed by the Holy Spirit as you claimed? Or perhaps Jesus prophesied that in his instructions in Acts? And note - there was nothing regarding a specific time line - so you are arguing out of silence whether they could have stayed in Jerusalem AFTER pentecost for a period. LOL, just what I posted a lot earlier. Well, good to see you finally coming around to what I was trying to point out.

[svcw]

Genesis 6, is about sin, death and redemption.
God is consistent: sin causes death, their is redemption available.

[Godzilla]

. . . . .but they cannot accept my own witness since itr does not fit with what they say and what they know I must believe, so I am therefore a deceiver, misguided, a liar, purposefully crafting my words to fool others, etc., etc.

Actually Appy, the issue is that the wordsmithing being used does not match the actual teachings of the doctrines of mormonism - from their doctrinal sources. One doesn't need to go anywhere else.

Thus we have the continual attempt to nail jello to the wall. We get an amorphous "witness" of one's belief that really says little or nothing beyond the mandatory "the church is true and smith is a prophet" etc etc. They like to use words like , "Jesus", "atonement" and "salvation" - but insert mormon definitions behind their use - definitions contrary to Christianity which they also try to claim.