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To: Elsie
Unlike the BoM which is quite explicit in it's treatment of BLACKS. It is an albatross around the neck of MORMONism that will NEVER go away.

oh sure it will...remember, that church is only about 150 years old. Don't you think that the Catholic church (christianity) made a few changes in its first few hundred years????of course it did. While I certainly do not agree with the teachings of the Mormon religion, I can understand how they might alter their views as they grow more mature.

remember that before Brown VS board of education, separate but equal was the policy in the US education system. Remember Orville Faubus and George Wallace (both Democrats and "christian") tried to keep blacks out of schools in Alabama and Arkansas....they relented, as did the Mormons, and now the black kids can go to school in their states....isn't that wonderful??

94 posted on 04/24/2012 8:11:41 PM PDT by terycarl (lurking, but well informed)
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To: terycarl
Don't you think that the Catholic church (christianity) made a few changes in its first few hundred years????

To the BOOK?

You are thinking of MORMONism.

95 posted on 04/25/2012 3:24:41 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: terycarl
....isn't that wonderful??

What?

That a GOVERNMENTAL unit flips back and forth?

You seem mighty determined to cast the spotlight on anything other than MORMONism and it's INSTITUTIONALIZED racism.

The FACTS of which are STILL found in it's 'scripture'.

Nothing will handwave the TRUTH of the matter away.

96 posted on 04/25/2012 3:28:35 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: terycarl

http://www.mrm.org/white-and-delightsome


97 posted on 04/25/2012 3:30:17 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: terycarl
remember, that church is only about 150 years old.


Mr. Millet:
 
I don't think we can ever transcend Joseph Smith or consider him to be a valued personality, but now we'll move on.
I don't think you'll see that among believers in the faith, because there are too many other things that came from him
that are the reasons why we do what we do and we are what we are. That there are unanswered questions, to be sure.
That there are things that I'm as anxious as the next guy to learn more detail on, I really want to know. But in the interim,
 it really doesn't, doesn't trouble me.
We're in the religion-making business, as you intimated earlier, only for a short time, I mean, compared to the
Christian church, which has been at this for a couple of millennia. We're about halfway to Nicaea.
And so, and so in that sense — I remember a very tender moment. I was speaking with — I've been invited
to the Salt Lake Theological Seminary, basically an Evangelical seminary, to discuss a book I had done on Jesus.
And they had read it, and they wanted me to come and just respond to questions.
And it was, it was a very enjoyable couple of hours.
 
The very last question that was asked by one of my friends there was this one.
 
He said, 'Bob, what can we do for you?'
 
And I, I wasn't ready for that question. I said, 'What do you mean?'
 
He said, 'What can we, as Evangelicals, do for our Mormon friends?'
 
And I, I guess my mind could have gone a hundred different ways, but what I came back with was this.
 
I said, 'Boy, I appreciate you asking that. I don't think I've ever been asked that.'
 
But, but I said, 'Try this. Cut us a little slack, will you? Give us a little time.
We're in the religion-making business, and this takes time. It takes centuries.
 
And, and trying to explain the faith and articulate the faith, that doesn't come over night.
We've really only been about that for 20 or 30 years.'
 
 
http://being.publicradio.org/programs/insidemormonfaith/transcript.shtml

98 posted on 04/25/2012 3:35:22 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: terycarl
While I certainly do not agree with the teachings of the Mormon religion, I can understand how they might alter their views as they grow more mature.

I can't; when they've advertised that the religion has been RESTORED!!

NOTHING would change!

That there HAVE been changes PROVES it's initial claims to be FALSE.

99 posted on 04/25/2012 3:37:11 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: terycarl
... how they might alter their views as they grow more mature.

MATURE?

How abot EXPEDIANT, instead?

100 posted on 04/25/2012 3:51:46 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Tennessee Nana; P-Marlowe; aMorePerfectUnion; caww; Godzilla; Utah Binger
Oh my goodness; National Geographic stepped in it THIS time!!!



MORMONs will be 'correcting' them over THIS!

SUREly the editors, who inserted this map supplement into my latest May 2012 issue, know about...



 
MORMON
Chapter 6

The Nephites gather to the land of Cumorah for the final battles—Mormon hides the sacred records in the hill Cumorah—The Lamanites are victorious, and the Nephite nation is destroyed—Hundreds of thousands are slain with the sword. About A.D. 385.

1 And now I finish my record concerning the destruction of my people, the Nephites. And it came to pass that we did march forth before the Lamanites.

2 And I, Mormon, wrote an epistle unto the king of the Lamanites, and desired of him that he would grant unto us that we might gather together our people unto the land of Cumorah, by a hill which was called Cumorah, and there we could give them battle.

3 And it came to pass that the king of the Lamanites did grant unto me the thing which I desired. 

4 And it came to pass that we did march forth to the land of Cumorah, and we did pitch our tents around about the hill Cumorah; and it was in a land of many waters, rivers, and fountains; and here we had hope to gain advantage over the Lamanites.

5 And *when three hundred and eighty and four years had passed away, we had gathered in all the remainder of our people unto the land of Cumorah.

6 And it came to pass that when we had gathered in all our people in one to the land of Cumorah, behold I, Mormon, began to be old; and knowing it to be the last struggle of my people, and having been commanded of the Lord that I should not suffer the records which had been handed down by our fathers, which were sacred, to fall into the hands of the Lamanites, (for the Lamanites would destroy them) therefore I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord, save it were these few plates which I gave unto my son Moroni.

7 And it came to pass that my people, with their wives and their children, did now behold the armies of the Lamanites marching towards them; and with that awful fear of death which fills the breasts of all the wicked, did they await to receive them.

8 And it came to pass that they came to battle against us, and every soul was filled with terror because of the greatness of their numbers.

9 And it came to pass that they did fall upon my people with the sword, and with the bow, and with the arrow, and with the ax, and with all manner of weapons of war.

10 And it came to pass that my men were hewn down, yea, even my ten thousand who were with me, and I fell wounded in the midst; and they passed by me that they did not put an end to my life.

11And when they had gone through and hewn down all my people save it were twenty and four of us, (among whom was my son Moroni) and we having survived the dead of our people, did behold on the morrow, when the Lamanites had returned unto their camps, from the top of the hill Cumorah, the ten thousand of my people who were hewn down, being led in the front by me.

12 And we also beheld the ten thousand of my people who were led by my son Moroni.

13 And behold, the ten thousand of Gidgiddonah had fallen, and he also in the midst.

14 And Lamah had fallen with his ten thousand; and Gilgal had fallen with his ten thousand; and Limhah had fallen with his ten thousand; and Jeneum had fallen with his ten thousand; and Cumenihah, and Moronihah, and Antionum, and Shiblom, and Shem, and Josh, had fallen with their ten thousand each.

15 And it came to pass that there were ten more who did fall by the sword, with their ten thousand each; yea, even all my people, save it were those twenty and four who were with me, and also a few who had escaped into the south countries, and a few who had deserted over unto the Lamanites, had fallen; and their flesh, and bones, and blood lay upon the face of the earth, being left by the hands of those who slew them to molder upon the land, and to crumble and to return to their mother earth.

16 And my soul was rent with anguish, because of the slain of my people, and I cried:

17 O ye fair ones, how could ye have departed from the ways of the Lord! O ye fair ones, how could ye have rejected that Jesus, who stood with open arms to receive you!

18 Behold, if ye had not done this, ye would not have fallen. But behold, ye are fallen, and I mourn your loss.

19 O ye fair sons and daughters, ye fathers and mothers, ye husbands and wives, ye fair ones, how is it that ye could have fallen!

20 But behold, ye are gone, and my sorrows cannot bring your return.

21 And the day soon cometh that your mortal must put on immortality, and these bodies which are now moldering in corruption must soon become incorruptible bodies; and then ye must stand before the judgment-seat of Christ, to be judged according to your works; and if it so be that ye are righteous, then are ye blessed with your fathers who have gone before you.

22 O that ye had repented before this great destruction had come upon you. But behold, ye are gone, and the Father, yea, the Eternal Father of heaven, knoweth your state; and he doeth with you according to his justice and mercy.


 
 
Mormon 8:2
And now it came to pass that after the great and tremendous battle at Cumorah, behold, the Nephites who had escaped into the country southward were hunted by the Lamanites, until they were all destroyed.


101 posted on 04/25/2012 4:03:43 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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