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To: vladimir998
>>Something doesn’t have to be explicitly in scripture to be true<<

A belief so central to Catholics wasn’t taught by the Apostles or even mentioned in scripture? Give me a break. We can look to pagan beliefs to find the origin however.

>>Also, the Assumption is seen by orthodox Christians in Revelation 12.<<

LOL The woman in Revelation 12 is Israel. In no way does it represent Mary.

21 posted on 04/22/2012 6:44:02 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear
LOL The woman in Revelation 12 is Israel. In no way does it represent Mary.

This is ALWAYS the response, isn't it? "Show it to me in the Bible!" "Okay, here it is ..." "LOL ... That passage doesn't mean that"

ALWAYS. ALWAYS.

Hear this, loud and clear: You have NO, NONE, ZERO, NADA authority to tell ANYONE else what the Bible means, and that's according to your own theology!! ... if you apply it consistently.

If you don't have to accept that the Pope can tell you what Scripture means, then logically I don't have to accept that you can tell me what Scripture means, either.

This is of course the fundamental flaw at the root of sola scriptura. Who gets to decide what the hard passages mean? You think you ought to get to decide what the hard passages mean for you, but I'm under no compunction to recognize your authority to decide that for me, am I? Of course not. Denying the Papacy in principle does not mean that you then get to appoint yourself to the office that you just rejected.

And, BTW, you're completely wrong about Revelation 12. The son is an individual, the dragon is an individual, and the woman is also an individual.

22 posted on 04/22/2012 7:02:50 PM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: CynicalBear

You wrote:

“A belief so central to Catholics wasn’t taught by the Apostles or even mentioned in scripture? Give me a break.”

Learn to read. I said Revelation 12. That being said, no, something that we might all consider important does not have to be in scripture. Example = what books belong in the Bible.

“We can look to pagan beliefs to find the origin however.”

No, actually we can’t. We can’t do that anymore than all those claims that the story of Jesus is just a pagan story. Idiots make claims, but they are easily refuted: http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/JesusEvidenceCrucifiedSaviors.htm
There is, in fact, no demonstrable connection between the Virgin Mary and pagan stories.

“LOL The woman in Revelation 12 is Israel. In no way does it represent Mary.”

No, actually the woman in Rev. 12 is Mary, Israel and the Church. That’s the way orthodox Christians have always seen it. Only modern Protestants don’t. Even early Protestants often saw it.


23 posted on 04/22/2012 7:08:19 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: CynicalBear
"Understanding this first, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation. For prophecy came not by the will of man at any time: but the holy men of God spoke, inspired by the Holy Ghost." 2 Peter 1:20-21


28 posted on 04/23/2012 8:24:34 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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