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To: vladimir998
Does this help you out slick?

“We often more quickly obtain what we ask by calling on the name of Mary than by invoking that of Jesus. She...is our Salvation, our Life, our Hope, our Counsel, our Refuge, our Help” (The Glories of Mary by Bishop Alphonse de Ligouri (Brooklyn: Redemptorist Fathers, pp. 254, 257).

By the way. I know Catholics claim they don’t pray to Mary right?

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p4s1c2a2.htm

2675 Beginning with Mary’s unique cooperation with the working of the Holy Spirit, the Churches developed their prayer to the holy Mother of God, centering it on the person of Christ manifested in his mysteries. In countless hymns and antiphons expressing this prayer, two movements usually alternate with one another: the first “magnifies” the Lord for the “great things” he did for his lowly servant and through her for all human beings29 the second entrusts the supplications and praises of the children of God to the Mother of Jesus, because she now knows the humanity which, in her, the Son of God espoused.

2676 This twofold movement of prayer to Mary has found a privileged expression in the Ave Maria:

2679 Mary is the perfect Orans (pray-er), a figure of the Church. When we pray to her, we are adhering with her to the plan of the Father, who sends his Son to save all men. Like the beloved disciple we welcome Jesus' mother into our homes, for she has become the mother of all the living. We can pray with and to her. The prayer of the Church is sustained by the prayer of Mary and united with it in hope.

I suppose I should ask, is http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p4s1c2a2.htm one of those “anti-Catholic” websites?

182 posted on 04/27/2012 6:57:08 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear
"I know Catholics claim they don’t pray to Mary right?"

I'm not aware of any Catholic who denies praying to her, I pray to her every day. We don't worship her.

188 posted on 04/27/2012 7:36:16 PM PDT by Natural Law (The Pearly Gates are really a servants entrance.)
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To: CynicalBear; Religion Mod
Ping to #178 and #182.

I thought same calling was against the rules here? Viz "slick?"

193 posted on 04/27/2012 8:41:23 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (The brain is the weapon; everything else is just accessories. --FReeper Joe Brower)
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To: CynicalBear

My questions still stand:

So, which is it? Did you deceptively cut the Ligouri quote or did you simply mindlessly lift the quote from an anti-Catholic website that had deceptively cut it? No more diversions now. Just be honest in your answer. That shouldn’t be hard, right?


196 posted on 04/27/2012 8:56:41 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Watch: The anti-Catholic will fail to find the courage to simply admit the truth here.)
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