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To: count-your-change

You wrote:

“By what words or command of Christ were any, ANY of his disciples authorized to persecute, murder, or suppress by violence any group? The Waldensians being an example.”

No, you’re wrong as usual. The Church did not murder anyone, ever. Every society has the inherant right to keep the peace. The Waldensians disrupted the social order by splitting families and even violently attacking those who disagreed with them. In the 13th century, for instance, in Kematen, in the Traunkreis, Waldensians murdered the parish priest. What’s the proper punishment for murder?

I guess you’ve never read Susanna K. Treesh’s article called “The Waldensian Recourse to Violence” in Church History, 1986, Vol. 55, Issue 03, pp 294-306???? No, apparently not.

“To argue that someone else also burned “heretics” and their books and that this somehow makes the murder less so is to argue for self condemnation as being no more Christian then those the Catholic church called heretics.”

First, it wasn’t murder. Second, the Church didn’t do it. Third, suppressing violent groups who are tearing society apart is not wrong.

“And what can be said of those justify and defend such actions?”

No justification is necessary. It is moral to suppress violent heretics. Period.

Like I said, can you point out any errors? So far, you’ve failed to do so. I knew it would go this way. It always does.


14 posted on 04/16/2012 8:35:22 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
I asked a simple question, not complicated at all:

“By what words or command of Christ were any, ANY of his disciples authorized to persecute, murder, or suppress by violence any group? The Waldensians being an example.”

You say I'm wrong. If so then show me, show us all!, those “words or command of Christ”.

15 posted on 04/17/2012 1:39:25 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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