Posted on 04/13/2012 4:35:34 PM PDT by stpio
Maybe this is the "May 31st" that the 5th Marian Dogma will be proclaimed? We'll see. Pray for the Holy Father.
Remember, co-...means with.
http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/
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message to Maria of Divine Mercy (Ireland))
Virgin Mary: The time for me to crush the serpent is drawing nearer
Friday, April 13th, 2012 @ 05:57 pm
I am your beloved Mother, Queen of the Earth. I am the Immaculate Conception, the Virgin Mary, Mother of Jesus who came in the flesh.
My child, the time for the triumph of My Immaculate Heart is close.
The time for me to crush the serpent is drawing nearer. But until the day when Satan and his demons are cast into the wilderness, much confusion will erupt on earth.
For believers in my Son, it will be a time of torment. They will be pulled into two different directions by the Catholic Church.
One half will believe, out of duty, the need to follow the False Prophet, the Pope who will follow Pope Benedict XVI
He, the beast, is dressed like a lamb but is not from my Father, God the Most High, and will fool poor souls including priests, bishops and cardinals.
Many will follow him and believe him to be sent by God to rule over His Church on earth.
Sadly, many souls will follow his teachings which will be insulting to My Father.
Others, filled with the Holy Spirit and given the graces of discernment because of their humble souls, will know instantly, that an imposter sits in the Church in Rome.
The new FALSE pope is already scheming, even before he ascends to the throne of the Seat of Peter, to denounce the teachings of my Son. Then he will denounce me, the Blessed Mother of God, and ridicule my role as Co-Redemptrix.
My child, your role is going to become even harder than before. For many of my children are very confused. The insults you face every day, the torments you endure on behalf of my Son, will increase.
Never be afraid to tell the world [u]the truth[/u] my child.
You are being made stronger as a result of the physical and mental suffering you accept on behalf of my Son in order to save souls.
Every effort, especially by one division in the Catholic Church, will be made to dismiss my messages given to you.
Your obedience and loyalty to me and my beloved Son will be tested as never before. This may lead you to pull away but, should this happen, it will not last long.
Pray, my child, for all of God’s children who, through no fault of their own, are being pulled into the final battle for souls.
All of this must come to pass for it is contained in my Father’s Book.
All the angels in Heaven protect you, my child, in this somewhat lonely mission.
Always remember how important prayer is.
Pray, pray, pray for without prayer, especially the recital of my Holy Rosary, Satan can pull you away from the Holy Word of my Precious Son.
Remember also the importance of fasting for it keeps the deceiver at bay.
Without regular prayer, my children, will find it hard to remain close to my Son.
Never fear the future children for once you remain close to my Son you will be protected
And given the necessary graces to prepare your souls and those of your families for the New Era of Peace foretold so long ago.
Your beloved Mother
Queen of the Earth
Mother of Salvation
First, Augustine, although a saint and doctor of the Church was never acknowledged to be infallible. If you pick through enough of his works you will fine numerous errors and positions that shifted and evolved over time. (side question, why do you only cite him when he appears to agree with you and argue loudly against him when he agrees with the Magisterium of the Church?)
The Church did not wait to decide, it proclaimed, ex cathedra, what was a truth that had existed since the beginning of time.
Wouldn't you consider both faith and obedience acts of the will in response to the authority of God? Since faith is an act of obedience and obedience an act of faith how can you set one to a higher priority than the other?
Certainly humans have the capacity to turn most anything into an
‘angels on the head of a pin’ argument . . .
However, in this case . . . probably the Scripture . . .
‘without faith, it is impossible to please God’
speaks to me a bit louder.
Certainly God insists on both.
I think the author was emphasizing an
ABANDONING ALL TO GOD KIND OF FAITH.
And, I think Paul makes the priority of that reasonably clear in Hebrews.
I think the author’s point that a FOCUS . . . particularly an obsessive . . . perfectionistic, ‘pull one’s self up by one’s bootstraps’ mentality FOCUS
on slavish obedience
without first or primarily being
a CHOSEN LOVE SLAVE OF JESUS
produces DEADLY RELIGION.
I think that’s very true.
I do not claim "infallibility" for Augustine nor to the magesterium or Pope of the Roman Catholic Church. My use of him, in this matter, was to simply demonstrate that the "dogma" of the sinlessness of Mary was NOT universally held "from the beginning of time". Catholic Theologian Ludwig Ott wrote, “Neither the Greek nor the Latin Fathers explicitly teach the Immaculate Conception of Mary….individual Greek Fathers (e.g., Origen, Basil, John Chrysostom, Cyril of Alexandria) taught that Mary suffered from venial personal faults, such as ambition and vanity." (Ludwig Ott, pp. 201, 203)
BUT...
The Council of Trent declared that Mary was sinless throughout her whole life in 1547.
Pope Pius IX declared the Immaculate Conception on 12-8-1854.
Quite a time gap for insisting something - especially something as important as a specific human other than Jesus having sinless perfection - that contradicts Holy Scripture. If I had to choose between the Bible or a human institution to be my "authority", it would be the Bible because humans are NOT infallible no matter what Bible verses they twist to make it seem they are.
Since you have ventured into this thread once again, will you at least give your opinion of the original article? Do you stand by this Prophetess and her prophecies concerning what "Mary" is telling her will come to pass? I know we get sidetracked in these conversations, but do you have any thoughts about what this poster is trying to warn everyone about?
The four Marian Dogmas are true and so is the 5th and final Marian Dogma to be proclaimed soon.
The “woman” Jesus addressed at Cana is Mary
The “woman” Jesus addressed from the Cross is Mary
“His” “Ark” of the New Covenant in Heaven is Mary
The queen is the mother of the king in Holy Scripture, in the New Covenant, she is Mary
The “woman” clothed with the Sun and the moon under her feet with a “crown” of twelve stars is Mary
The “woman” who brought forth the man-child is Mary
There is a secondary meaning for the “woman” in Revelation Chapter 12, they are the faithful, the Church.
Not surprisingly, my thoughts fall right in line with the Church:
CCC67 - Throughout the ages, there have been so-called "private" revelations, some of which have been recognized by the authority of the Church. They do not belong, however, to the deposit of faith. It is not their role to improve or complete Christ's definitive Revelation, but to help live more fully by it in a certain period of history. Guided by the Magisterium of the Church, the sensus fidelium knows how to discern and welcome in these revelations whatever constitutes an authentic call of Christ or his saints to the Church.
Christian faith cannot accept "revelations" that claim to surpass or correct the Revelation of which Christ is the fulfillment, as is the case in certain nonChristian religions and also in certain recent sects which base themselves on such "revelations".
"When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him." - Deuteronomy 18:22
It’s ALL about Jesus - not ‘woman’ nor Mary or anyone else which includes you. It’s past time you got over yourself and stop telling others what they do or don’t according to what *you think*. In the scope of things, you don’t register on the ‘what’s important’ counter.
JESUS is THE SAVIOR. ONLY HE is WORTHY.
This may be a first for us, NL, I agree with you! One caveat to the warning the Lord gave in Deuteronomy about false prophets, he also said:
But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death. (Deut. 18:20)
Actually, we both agree with God. Finding the truth or a truth is the reason I participate in these threads these days.
1 Corinthians 12:28
And God indeed hath set some in the church; first apostles, secondly PROPHETS, thirdly doctors; after that miracles; then the graces of healing, helps, governments, kinds of tongues, interpretations of speeches.
God speaks to every generation through the prophets, He makes explicit His plan. He doesn’t do anything without telling the world, you only have to believe.
Read private revelation and accept what is good and holy.
There is one end of time, God is speaking to non-Catholic
prophets to prepare our brothers and sisters too. He is
more explicit in the Catholic prophetic for a reason.
God is helping non-Catholic Christians in their current prophecy to accept the faith when it is revealed to them during the Great Warning and you all hear it called the “awakening.” If He was explicit about the true faith now, you would reject what you read. He speaks of unity and in the singular, there will be one Church, etc. It’s very gentle. He even refers to the most Holy Eucharist. I’ve share a link to Protestant prophecy, I can post it again.
“God is helping non-Catholic Christians in their current prophecy to accept the faith when it is revealed to them during the Great Warning and you all hear it called the “awakening.” If He was explicit about the true faith now, you would reject what you read. He speaks of unity and in the singular, there will be one Church, etc. It’s very gentle. He even refers to the most Holy Eucharist”...
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Mary Clark receives lighthearted messages from Heaven, not the serious ones.
What Truth of God aren’t Protestants embracing? It is the Holy Eucharist which is the pinnacle. Accepting Our Lord’s presence in the Eucharist, you’ll see, then all other misunderstandings about the faith will fall away. Jesus is so lovingly trying to prepare our brothers ans sisters. In experiencing the Great Warning, people will be shown God’s revelation as He says here, you will know “God has spoken directly to your heart.” The world will experience the full Truth. Pray for conversions, not all Christians, non-Christians or all Catholics will say “yes.”
The “orb” is a hint....it is the sacred host, the Eucharist.
http://ft111.com/maryclark.htm
Full-orbed Truth
message to MARY CLARK
full-orbed - having the orb or disc fully illuminated
April 28, 2010
I want you, beloved, to come into the realization of My truth and embrace it with all that is in you.
It is for you. It is for you to embrace in its entirety.
The living God has given you something of rich value. He wants it deep within your heart.
He wants it at your fingertips, to be pondered and enjoyed. Do not hesitate to relish its deliciousness.
It is not only delicious, but it is nutrition for your very soul.
So I say to you, with words that come straight from My heart: Beloved, enjoy the richness of My truth. Let it be entwined in your heart.
Receive the wonder of its sweetness and know with a certainty that the day will arrive when you will embrace it in its entirety,
receiving the embellishment of its goodness, and knowing with all sincerity that the living God has spoken directly into your heart,
offering you a new era of wonder that comes only when one embraces Me and My words of truth with a whole heart.
I tell you, beloved, that I want you to receive My truth and all it supplies.
I want you to know the wonder that lies therein. I do not want you ignorant, dear one.
I want you fully equipped with the living Word.
As you look on My face, the shining of My truth will light the way into all of your tomorrows, into all of eternity.
"Thou wretched, rash, intruding fool, farewell.
I took thee for thy better. Take thy fortune.
Thou find’st to be too busy is some danger..." - Hamlet Act 3, scene 4
Hi everyone,
This message to Mary Clark is about the Great Warning, unity of Christians and the Holy Eucharist but it looks like no one wants to discuss.
Mary Clark is a non-Catholic prophet, what say you non-Catholic Christians?
I feel kind of rejected today by Catholics and Protestants here.
The messages from Heaven strengthen your faith and you are
reminded how much God loves us. The messages, nobody talks like that down here.
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The “orb” is a hint....it is the sacred host, the Eucharist.
http://ft111.com/maryclark.htm
Full-orbed Truth
message to MARY CLARK
full-orbed - having the orb or disc fully illuminated
April 28, 2010
I want you, beloved, to come into the realization of My truth and embrace it with all that is in you.
It is for you. It is for you to embrace in its entirety.
The living God has given you something of rich value. He wants it deep within your heart.
He wants it at your fingertips, to be pondered and enjoyed. Do not hesitate to relish its deliciousness.
It is not only delicious, but it is nutrition for your very soul.
So I say to you, with words that come straight from My heart: Beloved, enjoy the richness of My truth. Let it be entwined in your heart.
Receive the wonder of its sweetness and know with a certainty that the day will arrive when you will embrace it in its entirety,
receiving the embellishment of its goodness, and knowing with all sincerity that the living God has spoken directly into your heart,
offering you a new era of wonder that comes only when one embraces Me and My words of truth with a whole heart.
I tell you, beloved, that I want you to receive My truth and all it supplies.
I want you to know the wonder that lies therein. I do not want you ignorant, dear one.
I want you fully equipped with the living Word.
As you look on My face, the shining of My truth will light the way into all of your tomorrows, into all of eternity.
Your Mariology is as only slightly less fanciful as your prophecy, and both will fail. The End.
Your Mariology is as only slightly less fanciful as your prophecy, and both will fail. The End.
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What about the prophecy to Mary Clark? Do you deny she is a prophet? What is Our Lord saying in her message? I can understand you rejecting Catholic messages but not a message to a non-Catholic Christian seer.
Never heard of her, but from what i read (http://ft111.com/maryclark.htm) i wonder why a RC would promote her, as i do not see her preach the Catholic church, but the messages i see are positive about the love of God and patience in affliction, and makes no distinction in speaking about the church.
I do not think these are from God, as the tenor of the letters to the 7 churches, esp. the Laodiceans, is more what i would expect it such were from, and i see even the expressions (”Boo! I want to startle you out of your complacency.” “I am no faker” “..I am the real thing,” “Things are shaping up nicely, and according to My specifications”) as being like that of a sincere person but not the voice of God.
I have had other “thus saith the Lord” “prophetic” messages sent to me, and while i allow that God can do as He ever did, i do not feel any of of them are actually from God.
Now the words of Daniel Webster i would say are prophetic, if not on the level of Scripture:
— “If there is anything in my thoughts or style to commend, the credit is due to my parents for instilling in me an early love of the Scriptures. If we abide by the principles taught in the Bible, our country will go on prospering and to prosper; but if we and our posterity neglect its instructions and authority, no man can tell how sudden a catastrophe may overwhelm us and bury all our glory in profound obscurity.”
If religious books are not widely circulated among the masses in this country, I do not know what is going to become of us as a nation. If truth be not diffused, error will be;
If God and His Word are not known and received, the devil and his works will gain the ascendancy; If the evangelical volume does not reach every hamlet, the pages of a corrupt and licentious literature will;
If the power of the Gospel is not felt throughout the length and breadth of the land, anarchy and misrule, degradation and misery, corruption and darkness will reign without mitigation or end.”
“Never heard of her, but from what i read (http://ft111.com/maryclark.htm) i wonder why a RC would promote her, as i do not see her preach the Catholic church, but the messages i see are positive about the love of God and patience in affliction, and makes no distinction in speaking about the church.”
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Thank you for replying but you avoided my question.
What is Jesus saying in Mary Clark’s message?
You sound positive towards Mary Clark, if she was a Catholic prophet you would object and say her message isn’t true.
You use the word “promote” a lot. I posted Mary Clark’s message to show because there is one end time, God is saying the same thing in Catholic and Protestant messages from Heaven.
God is more specific in the Catholic because the Remnant is
Roman Catholic. In the Great Warning, this will be revealed. When God shows you (everyone on the earth), I don’t think you will fight the faith like you do now. When everyone is shown their life in review, that’s divine, no one can do this but God. This supernatural act of love and mercy is the 2nd Pentecost.
Change your heart about Our Lord’s presence in the Eucharist
and it would really help you to change your opinion of
who Mary is... It’s the Protestant rejection of Our Lord’s mother. Do not take things so personally, Our Lord’s mother cannot appear to Protestants less an exception until after or maybe at the Great Warning because you profess heresies.
Mary Clark doesn’t preach Catholicism, she is Protestant right now. Mary is hearing from Our Lord, (you admitted, speaking positively about her) concerning the time ahead. Back to the question.
The Eucharist looks like a dis and it is illuminating, you
remain a spiritual baby without it. Like Our Lord said,
it is nutrition for your soul.
I am asking again, Jesus repeats in the message to “embrace My Truth in it’s entirety.” What are you saying no to? Non-Catholics reject the Eucharist, the summit of belief.
Our Lord is getting you
ready for the Great Warning.
http://ft111.com/maryclark.htm
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Full-orbed Truth
message to MARY CLARK
full-orbed - having the orb or disc fully illuminated
April 28, 2010
I want you, beloved, to come into the realization of My truth and embrace it with all that is in you.
It is for you. It is for you to embrace in its entirety.
The living God has given you something of rich value. He wants it deep within your heart.
He wants it at your fingertips, to be pondered and enjoyed. Do not hesitate to relish its deliciousness.
It is not only delicious, but it is nutrition for your very soul.
So I say to you, with words that come straight from My heart: Beloved, enjoy the richness of My truth. Let it be entwined in your heart.
Receive the wonder of its sweetness and know with a certainty that the day will arrive when you will embrace it in its entirety,
receiving the embellishment of its goodness, and knowing with all sincerity that the living God has spoken directly into your heart,
offering you a new era of wonder that comes only when one embraces Me and My words of truth with a whole heart.
I tell you, beloved, that I want you to receive My truth and all it supplies.
I want you to know the wonder that lies therein. I do not want you ignorant, dear one.
I want you fully equipped with the living Word.
As you look on My face, the shining of My truth will light the way into all of your tomorrows, into all of eternity.
Mary Clark doesn’t preach Catholicism, she is Protestant right now. Mary is hearing from Our Lord, (you admitted, speaking positively about her) concerning the time ahead.
I did NOT say she was hearing from the Lord, which is just another example of your practice of reading what you want to see into what is written.
And true to form, you invoke a Protestant purported prophetess and read into her message support for Romanism.
And likewise you must read Catholicism’ errors about the Lord supper, which is commemorated by exampling care for His body and blood made flesh in the sense of the body of Christ. http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/Bible/1Cor._11.html#11
This exchange is over as you have amply demonstrated you want to see what supports your version of Roman Catholicism so much that it disallows objectivity, but may God grant you repentance.
“I did NOT say she was hearing from the Lord, which is just another example of your practice of reading what you want to see into what is written.”
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predictable...you’re not going to talk about the meaning of the message to Mary Clark.
“Despise not Prophecy” says Scripture. You like what Mary
Clark preaches, you said it daniel, it is all prophecy she has received. Those aren’t her personal words.
You spoke to soon.
Why would Our Lord return to tell everyone, believe what you like. It’ fine, which ever Protestant sect, you choose it of the 38,000.
It isn’t going to happen. There are Black Masses offered
by Satanists and consecrated hosts are desecrated. Why?
The true faith is Roman Catholicism. Satan believes, can
you understand...
Our Lord wants you to become Catholic and soon He is going
to show you, hoping you’ll say “yes.”
Protestants cannot confect the Eucharist so they deny it.
You’re going to have to change, prayers for your conversion
daniel.
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