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To: vladimir998

It sat in the Vatican library for about 400 years, if I recall. The thinking at the time was, it shouldn’t influence how Popes are elected. Turns out the wisdom held, when during one election after the prophesies resurfaced, an ambitious Cardinal loaded a boat full of sheep and sailed it up the river outside the chapel where the election was to be held.

Benedict, an Olivetan, obviously fits ‘Gloria Olivae’, but it doesn’t count since the election happened after the prophesy resurfaced.

It’s become a recipe more than a prophesy now. “We need an Olivetan this time!”

Next Pope will call himself Peter, not because I’m a prophet, or Malachy was a prophet, but because his prophesy became prescription.


21 posted on 03/28/2012 4:19:35 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: RinaseaofDs

You wrote:

“It sat in the Vatican library for about 400 years, if I recall.”

No, it is said by some to have sat in the archive for that length of time. There is no evidence it was written in the 12th century. There’s no evidence it sat in the archive for 400 years. There is no evidence it existed before being published.

“The thinking at the time was, it shouldn’t influence how Popes are elected.”

False. There was no “thinking” about it that anyone has any proof of. There is not a single mentioning of the document until about the time it was published.

“Turns out the wisdom held, when during one election after the prophesies resurfaced, an ambitious Cardinal loaded a boat full of sheep and sailed it up the river outside the chapel where the election was to be held.”

Sorry, you’re wrong again. What you’re doing is passing on a jibe at Cardinal Spellman who supposedly rented the boat and flock in 1958. It’s a joke - either one he played, or one someone played on him.

“Benedict, an Olivetan, obviously fits ‘Gloria Olivae’, but it doesn’t count since the election happened after the prophesy resurfaced.”

Benedict is not an Olivetan. He was never a member of a religious order. He was a diocesan priest and bishop only.

“It’s become a recipe more than a prophesy now. “We need an Olivetan this time!” Next Pope will call himself Peter, not because I’m a prophet, or Malachy was a prophet, but because his prophesy became prescription.”

Nope. The next pope might call himself Peter - incredibly unlikely actually - but it will have nothing to do with any supposed prophecies of Malachy since they are consistently wrong after 1590 - just a few years before the document was published! In other words, someone forged it around 1590.


23 posted on 03/28/2012 4:44:48 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: RinaseaofDs
Benedict, an Olivetan, obviously fits ‘Gloria Olivae’

Pope Benedict is not an Olivetan. The Olivetans are a branch of the Benedictines. Pope Benedict is not a Benedictine, either (he was a diocesan priest before he was elevated to the episcopacy). The only connection he has with the Olivetans is the name he chose for his papacy. That's pretty tenuous. It's also after-the-fact, like Paul VI's coat of arms reflecting his "prophecy," "Flos Florum".

The "St. Malachy" prophecy almost certainly wasn't written by St. Malachy. It's unknown before 1595 (St. Malachy died in 1148). Not surprisingly, the "prophecies" before 1595 are dead-ringers.

Most of those after 1595 have at best a coincidental relationship to the Pope they are supposed to describe, though I'll grant that some of them are spooky -- "Religio depopulata" for Benedict XVI, Pope during WW I, and "de labore Solis" for JP2, a Pope closely linked to Fatima and its solar miracle.

26 posted on 03/28/2012 6:10:51 PM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: RinaseaofDs

That makes no sense. Pope Peter is supposed to be evil. If anything I would think the next Pope would deliberately AVOID the name Peter.


32 posted on 03/29/2012 9:06:15 AM PDT by DManA
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