You wrote:
“So you guys had a security cam in their bedroom everynight after Jesus was born?”
No, we have the constant teaching of God’s Church.
“Mary did not create the soul that lived in that body, nor the divine Spirit that performed the miracles.”
No, she was just the Mother of God. Jesus is God. Mary is His mother.
“All she had to do was eat, sleep, and take generally good care of herself.”
No, all she had to do was say yes and make herself the handmaid of the Lord. She also had to suffer her heart being pierced. She endured quite a bit.
“We that believe Mark 6:3 to mention 4 brothers and at least 2 sisters would understand how, in Luke where, “TEMPLE ALONE” happened:”
There were no other children of Mary - that’s why Jesus alone was called the son of Mary in the New Testament.
“According to forever a virgin theory, Mary and Joseph traveled a DAY’S journey WITHOUT missing their ONLY child......ONLY the MOST IMPORTANT child EVER born on the planet.”
Which just proves my point. If you’re saying that they lost their “ONLY the MOST IMPORTANT child EVER born on the planet” because of other children then Jesus could not have been all that important after all, right? You can’t have it both ways. Jesus stayed behind. Mary and Joseph probably assumed He was with another relative in the caravan since that’s how things were done.
“My wife says that, nomatter if her only son had been 12 and responsible, she’d have had one eye on her one and only child, and one on everything else.”
You’re wife’s only son is not the Son of God who can make happen anything He wishes. If Jesus wanted to go unnoticed, it would be so. If He wanted His parents to not notice His absence for some hours, it would be so.
“The juggling of definitions of words, and the relying on traditions of vain men, do not prove that Joseph and Mary slept in separate beds for their entire married lives.”
I relied on no “vain men”. The Church is not a vain man, but Body of Christ. I suggest you actually deal with what I posted rather than make things up. I never relied on vain men.
“To this ‘always a virgin’ matter, I believe Paul would say: “Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith; so do”. 1 Tim. 1:4”
Right, don’t make things up then like claiming I relied on vain men when I didn’t. That would be making up a fable. DOn’t do it. Heed the very verse you cited. Avoid hypocrisy. It’s not hard.
Thanks for your great insight.
**she was just the Mother of God. Jesus is God. Mary is His mother.**
You agree that Mary had no creative input in the making of the soul, since that is only God’s ability to create. The indwelling Spirit of God is what was, and is, divine about Jesus Christ. The Lord’s words in John 14:7-11 make that abundantly clear.
You RCs regularly point to Peter’s revelation of the Christ. In Acts 10:36-43 he is in full preaching mode telling the gentiles who Jesus Christ is, with verse 38 explaining where the Christ received his divinity: “How God annointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was WITH him.” And just like Peter’s sermon in Acts 2, there is no mention of Mary in the entire passage.
**She also had to suffer her heart being pierced.**
Literally??
**She endured quite a bit.**
Indeed she did! And later, she also was in the upper room tarrying for the promise of the Holy Ghost. She had to have it too.
**There were no other children of Mary - that’s why Jesus alone was called the son of Mary in the New Testament.**
The Word does not say Jesus ALONE was the son of Mary. Jesus Christ is the primary subject of Mark 6:3. Mary and the siblings are referenced to, in order to make the connection, to who these people were hearing speak. I’ve been introduced as ‘Ruth’s son’ many times, even though I have two brothers,....because....I was the subject of the conversation.
**Which just proves my point. If you’re saying that they lost their “ONLY the MOST IMPORTANT child EVER born on the planet” because of other children then Jesus could not have been all that important after all, right?**
Jesus was the oldest, and well able to walk along without supervision, if mom and dad had their hands full. The additional children only enhances Mary’s resume’. She didn’t give birth to one, but a total of 7 or more, and raised them all.
My wife says her motherly instincts would not have overlooked the location of her ONLY child for an ENTIRE day. She says that, “Yeah, you load me down with an infant and some toddlers, and I could possibly be so occupied I’d not notice my oldest child missing in the crowd.”
**Mary and Joseph probably assumed He was with another relative in the caravan since that’s how things were done.**
Really. So you have Mary and Joseph walking all day like they’re on a date, only one child to worry about, and don’t think take a gander until evening to find their only son. You’re painting Mary to be a less than concerned mother. I think her hands were full of kids to care for.
This is just a wild guess, but it is my understanding that in Judaism one was known by a given name followed by "son/daughter of" the father's given name. But there are occasions when a person is known as "son/daughter of" mother's given name. Could this be the case here? Was there a custom or a ritual reason why He was known as Yeshua ben Miryam? It would not mean anything as far as whether He had brothers or not, it would be a surname.