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[LDS] Group calls on Santorum to disavow pastor over Mormon comments
KSL.com ^ | March 14th, 2012 @ 10:50am | KSL.com

Posted on 03/14/2012 2:51:59 PM PDT by T Minus Four

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To: reaganaut
I’m afraid that my workload has reduced me to being a part time Inman

Hey if it is paid work, that is a good thing in this economy. Don’t worry, bro, we got your back. ;)

Much appreciated.


181 posted on 03/17/2012 5:47:21 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Elsie
Ah; ya know we’ll still accept whatever you can do; for even a part-time Inman can still run circles around a full time MORMON.

Very apt analogy.


182 posted on 03/17/2012 5:51:22 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Elsie
...or two.



Shut UP! We do this FULL time!

183 posted on 03/17/2012 6:51:54 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

The Rules

  1. Learn and obey all missionary rules.
  2. Keep your thoughts, words, and actions in harmony with the gospel message.
  3. Read only books, magazines, and other material authorized by the Church.
  4. Don't debate or argue.
  5. Center your mind on your mission.
  6. Dress conservatively. Elders: white shirts, conservative ties, and business suits. Sisters: conservative colors and skirts that cover your knees. No floor-length skirts or dresses.
  7. Cut your hair regularly.
  8. Keep your hair clean and neatly combed at all times in the approved style.
  9. Be neat and clean.
  10. Bathe frequently.
  11. Use deodorant.
  12. Polish your shoes.
  13. Iron your shirt and business suit.
  14. Arise at 6:30 A.M.
  15. Study for 2 hours every morning.
  16. Proselytize for 10 hours between 9:30 A.M. and 9:30 P.M.
  17. Turn off your lights at 10:30 P.M.
  18. Exercise regularly.
  19. Write in your journal regularly.
  20. Follow the "Missionary Gospel Study Program" (31157) for your personal study.
  21. Regularly study the Missionary Guide and the Discussions.
  22. Attend Sunday priesthood or Relief Society meetings, Sunday School, and sacrament meeting.
  23. Attend the general session of Stake Conference.
  24. Attend general conference broadcasts if available.
  25. Avoid all other church meetings unless you have a special assignment or are brining an investigator.
  26. Proselytize as much as possible on weekends and holidays because this is when you'll find people home.
  27. End your preparation day at 6:00 P.M. and proselytize from 6:00 P.M. to 9:30 P.M.
  28. Wear your missionary uniform in public on preparation day while not engaged in recreational activities.
  29. Arise at 6:30 on preparation day and study for 2 hours from the approved books.
  30. Take care of your physical preparation for the week on preparation day: wash your clothes, clean your apartment, wash your car, get your haircut, and shop for groceries.
  31. Write to your parents every week on preparation day.
  32. Write less frequently to your siblings, friends, and acquaintances.
  33. Don't communicate with any friends or acquaintances that are within or close to your mission boundaries, except as a part of official mission business.
  34. Plan safe, wholesome, and uplifting activities for preparation day.
  35. Stay with your companion during all activities.
  36. Do not go on road trips.
  37. Do not leave your assigned area without permission
  38. Do not watch television.
  39. Do not view unauthorized videocassettes.
  40. Do not listen to the radio.
  41. Do not listen to unauthorized audiocassettes or CD’s.
  42. Do not participate in musical groups.
  43. Do not participate in athletic teams.
  44. Do not sponsor athletic teams.
  45. Do not engage in contact sports.
  46. Do not engage in water sports.
  47. Do not engage in winter sports.
  48. Do not engage in motorcycling.
  49. Do not engage in horseback riding.
  50. Do not engage in mountain climbing.
  51. Do not embark on a private boat.
  52. Do not embark in a private airplane.
  53. Do not handle firearms.
  54. Do not handle explosives.
  55. Do not swim.
  56. Do not play full court basketball.
  57. Do not play basketball in leagues.
  58. Do not play basketball in tournaments.
  59. You may play half-court basketball.
  60. Never be alone.
  61. Seek advice from your mission president if your companion is "having difficulties".
  62. Be loyal to your companion.
  63. Ask your mission president for help if your companion doesn’t obey the rules.
  64. Pray with your companion every day.
  65. Study with your companion every day.
  66. Plan your work with your companion every day.
  67. Take time at least once a week for companionship inventory.
  68. Seek to be one in spirit and purpose and help each other succeed.
  69. Always address your companion as Elder or Sister.
  70. Sleep in the same bedroom as your companion.
  71. Do not sleep in the same bed as your companion.
  72. Do not arise before your companion.
  73. Do not retire after your companion. (apparently, being together is more important than getting the correct amount of sleep that your unique body requires.)
  74. Frequently study with your companion the Missionary Guide section on companions.
  75. Never be alone with anyone of the opposite sex.
  76. Never associate inappropriately with anyone of the opposite sex (conversely, they don't mention whether or not it is against the rules to associate inappropriately with anyone of the same sex).
  77. Do not flirt.
  78. Do not date.
  79. Do not communicate via phone or letter with anyone of the opposite sex living within or near mission boundaries.
  80. Do not visit a single or divorced person of the opposite sex unless accompanied by a couple or another adult member of your sex.
  81. Try to teach single investigators in a member’s home or have missionaries of the same sex teach them.
  82. Always follow the above rules, even if the situation seems harmless.
  83. Use the commitment pattern to get referrals from members.
  84. Keep your dinner visits with member briefs and during the customary dinner hour in the area.
  85. Remember to say thank you to those who feed you.
  86. Visit members and nonmembers only at appropriate times.
  87. Do not counsel or give medical treatment.
  88. Do not stay in the homes of people when they are on vacation.
  89. Only write letters to family members and friends at home.
  90. Do not telephone parents
  91. Do not telephone relatives.
  92. Do not telephone friends.
  93. Do not telephone girlfriends.
  94. Contact your mission president in case of an emergency.
  95. Take problems and questions to your mission president.
  96. Do not write to the President of the Church or to other General Authorities. Letters from missionaries to General Authorities are referred back to the mission president
  97. Respect the customs, traditions, and property of the people who you are trying to convert.
  98. Obey all mission rules.
  99. Obey the laws of the land.
  100. Do not get involved in politics.
  101. Do not get involved in commercial activities.
  102. Do not give any information about the area.
  103. Respect the customs and cultures of those who you are trying to convert to your own customs and culture.
  104. Respect the beliefs, practices, and sites of other religions.
  105. Do not say or write anything bad about the political and cultural circumstances where you serve.
  106. Do not become involved in adoption proceedings.
  107. Do not suggest or encourage emigration. (This rule is a bit ironic, given the now-defunct doctrine of gathering the believers to Zion)
  108. Be courteous.
  109. Provide community service.
  110. Do not provide community service that isn’t approved by your mission president.
  111. Do not provide more than 4 hours a week of community service.
  112. Do not provide community service during the evening, weekend or holidays—those are peek proselytizing times.
  113. Your mission president must approve your housing.
  114. Keep your housing unit clean.
  115. Do not live with single or divorced people of the opposite sex.
  116. Do not live where the spouse is frequently absent.
  117. Your living unit must have a private bath and entrance.
  118. You may occasionally fast for a special reason, but generally the monthly fast is sufficient.
  119. Do not fast longer than 24 hours at a time.
  120. Do not ask friends, relatives, and members to join in special fasts for investigators.
  121. Maintain your health.
  122. Eat a healthy diet.
  123. Sleep from 10:30 to 6:30.
  124. Follow the approved exercise program.
  125. Keep your body, clothes, dishes, linens, towels and housing unit clean.
  126. Dispose of your garbage properly and promptly.
  127. Follow the safety rules for all of your stuff.
  128. Seek medical care if you are in an accident or become sick.
  129. Be immunized.
  130. Spend your money only on things relating to your mission.
  131. Budget your money carefully.
  132. Keep a record of what you spend.
  133. Do not spend more than your companion.
  134. Do not loan money.
  135. Do not borrow money.
  136. Keep a reserve fund of $50 to $100 at all times for transfers.
  137. Pay your bills before leaving an area.
  138. Pay cash for all resale literature and supplies ordered from the mission office.
  139. Do not waste money on souvenirs.
  140. Do not waste money on unnecessary items.
  141. Be a frugal photographer.
  142. Do not accumulate excess baggage.
  143. Obey custom laws and regulations.
  144. Pay fast offerings each fast Sunday to the bishop or branch president where you serve.
  145. Pay tithing on outside sources of income (i.e. interest) to your home bishop or branch president.
  146. Evaluate your funds a few months before the end of your mission. If you have more than you need, ask that less be sent so that you can return home without excess money.
  147. Do not drive without a license.
  148. Drive only Church-owned vehicles.
  149. Do not drive members’ cars.
  150. Do not drive nonmembers’ cars.
  151. Do not give rides to members or investigators in Church-owned cars.
  152. Use cars only on approved mission business.
  153. Use cars only within the assigned geographical area.
  154. Be conscious of safety at all times.
  155. Drive defensively.
  156. Wear your seat belt.
  157. Pray for the Lord’s protection while driving.
  158. If your companion is driving, assist him or her.
  159. Do not tamper with the vehicle’s odometer.
  160. Know bicycle safety rules.
  161. Use extreme caution on your bicycle.
  162. Do not ride your bicycle after dark.
  163. Do not ride your bicycle in heavy traffic.
  164. Do not ride your bicycle in adverse weather conditions.
  165. Go directly to your new area when transferred.
  166. Find your new companion without delay when transferred.
  167. Have a maximum of two suitcases and a briefcase.

184 posted on 03/17/2012 6:52:37 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie
The guy on the left looks like a young Glen Beck but I don't think he grew up Mormon.
185 posted on 03/17/2012 6:54:54 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Elsie
My husband and I bought a condo in 1990. Before proceeding with the purchase we carefully read the HOA rules and regulations. Two of the regulations were:

1) It is not permitted to wash clothing in the Jacuzzi.

2) Swimming naked is not permitted and will result in a **HUGE** fine. ( I forget the amount.)

My husband laughed as said, “Each of these rules exists because someone did this!” :-)

Well.....I am certainly glad not to be supervising a bunch of 19 to 21 year old young men and women in a foreign country. Each of the items in the long list in your post is probably there for their safety and well-being.

186 posted on 03/17/2012 7:35:53 AM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: wintertime; Elsie; Utah Binger

Each of the items in the long list in your post is probably there for their safety and well-being.

- - - - -
Not all LDS missionaries go to a foreign country and the MP (Mission Pres) verily rarely sees the boys in he field or goes to their apt. The minions must go to the king.

And, yes, some of them are for their safety, but a good chunk of the purpose is control. LDS missions are a time when the LDS church makes one last attempt at brainwashing. Been there, done that.

It is interesting to note that one of two things happen after an LDS mission generally (particularly with the men). Either the “Returned Missionary” leaves the LDS (or goes ‘inactive’ which means no longer attends the LDS church), or they become a ‘Norman Mormon’ - a good faithful, brainwashed Mormon.

My husbands good friend in High School was LDS and always laughing and making jokes, real lively. My husband ran into him after his mission and was shocked at how he changed. He was somber, serious, and my husband said his eyes were souless. He came home and cried and said “they just sucked the life out of him!” and that is a pretty good description.

However, not everyone has those kinds of Missions. Freeper Utah Binger, broke several rules on his mission and left right after.


187 posted on 03/17/2012 9:57:44 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut; Elsie

It’s the overwhelming guilt they try to lay on you. I was just an independent soul steeped in disobedience and rebelliousness. One also learns to feign a certain sanctimoniousness.

And Denmark? Best two and a half years of my life. LOL


188 posted on 03/17/2012 11:14:31 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: BlueMoose

If it’s good for the goose it’s good.


189 posted on 03/17/2012 11:43:57 AM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose
Well not all ways.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1KRP6-f7OY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

190 posted on 03/17/2012 11:51:25 AM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: wintertime
Each of the items in the long list in your post is probably there for their safety and well-being.

Oh!

No doubt about this at ALL!

Now then: is MORMONism similar to a Nanny State?

191 posted on 03/17/2012 12:23:21 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Utah Binger
I was just an independent soul steeped in disobedience and rebelliousness.

was?

WAS???!!

You still ARE; you old fart!

192 posted on 03/17/2012 12:25:19 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

Tourists would probably STILL be driving on gravel on UT-9 if you hadn’t ‘helped’ the authorities along!


193 posted on 03/17/2012 12:28:53 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

With the handicap.


194 posted on 03/17/2012 12:33:21 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose
With the handicap.

Yes; MORMONs do seem to be handicapped.

None on FR seem to be able to stand in the face of facts for very long.

195 posted on 03/17/2012 12:43:53 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

Hey! LOL

Three hours until Corned Beef is ready. I think there must be one ounce of Irish somewhere in this old fart.


196 posted on 03/17/2012 12:44:33 PM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: Elsie
But FR don't give MOD s handicap to Mormons. I guess they don't need it.
197 posted on 03/17/2012 1:25:40 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: Elsie
But FR don't give MOD s handicap to Mormons. I guess they don't need it.
198 posted on 03/17/2012 1:25:58 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose

Whatever that means.

IU all the way!


199 posted on 03/17/2012 7:20:00 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

Thank you for your good work.


200 posted on 03/17/2012 8:08:34 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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