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To: Heart-Rest

Basically, not discounting your sincerity, this whole post means nothing to me. You wanna know why?

John Ch 3: “You must be born again” Quote, Jesus,

and Ephesians 2: 8-9:

8) For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9) not of works, lest anyone should boast.

So if you are born again, you know that Jesus taught, that you do not need any church doctrine, or any of you own works (in FACT if you do rely upon your own works it is anti-Biblical!). Catholic, Protestant, whatever if you have recieved Jesus through faith, by His Grace (given on the Cross) you will be saved-if not, then repent and trust Jesus, and not your church nor your own righteousness (WHICH God calls filthy rags)!

Blessings, -JS


23 posted on 03/11/2012 5:01:24 PM PDT by JSDude1
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To: JSDude1
Please re-read it. Catholics do NOT rely on their own works for their salvation. God does give us free will, and he will not save us against our free will. We have to accept his free gift or not.

If we accept it, that will be clearly shown by some means from that point moving forward, or we are lying to God.

God also gives us the free will to later reject his gift of salvation, and throw it away.
30 posted on 03/11/2012 5:08:55 PM PDT by Heart-Rest ("The Church is the pillar and bulwark of the truth." (1 Timothy 3:15))
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To: JSDude1
"John Ch 3: “You must be born again” Quote, Jesus,..."

The literal translation of that is an area of disagreement between many Protestants and the Catholic Church. The meaning of the term in John 3:3 does not mean "again", but means a regeneration; being "born from above". This word has a dual meaning so it is further clarified by Jesus.

"Jesus answered, “Amen, Amen, I say to you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit. What is born of flesh is flesh and what is born of spirit is spirit. Do not be amazed that I told you, ‘You must be born from above.” - John 3:5-7

51 posted on 03/11/2012 5:28:31 PM PDT by Natural Law (If you love the Catholic Church raise your hands, if not raise your standards.)
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To: JSDude1

**John Ch 3: “You must be born again” Quote, Jesus,**

Catholics ARE born again through the Sacrament of Baptism. You might be misunderstanding that.

** Ephesians 2: 8-9:

8) For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9) not of works, lest anyone should boast.**

Those are St. Paul’s words. Christ’s words say: “Unless you eat my Body and drink my Blood, you shall not enter the kingdom of heaven.”

I’ll take Christ over St. Paul any day.


271 posted on 03/12/2012 8:59:15 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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