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To: lupie; guitarplayer1953
Who was Jesus rebuking when He rebuked the storm at sea? Was He rebuking God?

You seem to be saying that Jesus is someone who can rebuke God. Jesus IS God, therefore He cannot rebuke Himself.


Thus giving new insight to the homonym of your name for completely missing the point in this and your subsequent observations.

That creation is affected by the Fall does not mean that it all became sinful or wicked due to sin. It was subjected to frustration, according to Paul, by God who did so in the anticipation of it being set free with the revelation of the children of God at the time of the final assize. The point of guitarplayer1953 was to draw attention to the moronic loopiness of Piper's theology, descended from one of the most execrable ever to wear the label of Christian. Only moral and philosophical perverts like John Calvin and Zwingli could say the following:
"The devil and wicked men are so held in on every side with the hand of God, that they cannot conceive, or contrive, or execute any mischief, any farther than God himself doth not permit only, but command. Nor are they only held in fetters, but compelled also, as with a bridle, to perform obedience to those commands." (Calvin's Institutes b. 1, c. 17, s. 11.)

"...when God makes angels or men sin, he does not sin himself, because he does not break any law. For God is under no law, and therefore cannot sin." (Zwingli, Sermon on Providence, c. 5, 6.)

135 posted on 03/09/2012 4:28:58 AM PST by aruanan
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To: aruanan
And as i pointed out that fact by Jesus rebuking the storm. Pipper’s premise was that it was God's will in the twister. God can use the weather to prove a point of His grace which is what He did in the early settlers by giving them due rain at the proper time to grow a harvest. this fact marveled the Indians who would plant and have it wiped out by storms or dried up by drought.

So your observation is wrong I did see through what Pipper had to say and do not appreciate your biased remarks toward a guitar player. May I ask what your hobbies are maybe I can disparage you in some way too.

146 posted on 03/09/2012 3:32:08 PM PST by guitarplayer1953 (Grammar & spelling maybe wrong, get over it, the world will not come to an end!)
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