To equate mormonism with Jim Jones is about the most ignorant comment I may have ever read. You obviously are parroting all the other lines from the Anti-mormon mob on FR. Think for yourself. Jim Jones was an advide leftist and evangelical preacher- “christian” philosphy in line with the main stream. He built nothing. Mormonism has been around for over 160 years and has produced world renowned scientist, politicians, musicians, along with settling some of the most unfriendly parts of western US- so you and your friends can enjoy great skiing. Oh Snap!
First, Mormonism, Scientology, and many other false religions are demonstrably false based upon many factors, such as archeology, genetics, history, etc. Second, these religions rely on charismatic leaders to persuade followers. Third, followers are brain-washed to some degree so that they will not question the more controversial teachings.
Jim Jones was obviously an extreme example of the dangers of cults. Some cults can lead to total tragedy like Jones. Either way, cults trap followers in spiritual darkness.
Mentioning well known adherents of a cult, like you did for Mormonism, doesn't add credibility to the false religion in any way. Look at Tom Cruise and Scientology. No one says that Scientology must be legitimate if a respected actor like Cruise is a follower. Instead, it's almost universally accepted that Cruise and others like him have been duped. The same can be said for Mormons.
To equate mormonism with Jim Jones is about the most ignorant comment I may have ever read.
You’ve actually never been on an anti-Mormon thread, have you? Just wait...the hits will keep coming, plus a White Horse will show up as well !
What anti-mormon mob on FR? Can you source that? Now if you meant mormonism is being exposed, yep that is happening.
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“Christ was Begotten by an immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers.”
(Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, page 547, 1966)
“The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints proclaims that Jesus Christ is the Son of God in the most literal sense. The body in which He performed His mission in the flesh was sired by that some Holy Being we worship as God, our Eternal Father. Jesus was not the son of Joseph, nor was He begotten by the Holy Ghost.”
(Ezra Taft Benson, The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, page 7)
“[Jesus Christ] was willing to make payment because of his great love for mankind, and he was able to make payment because he lived a sinless life and because he was actually, literally, biologically the Son of God in the flesh.”
(Messages for Exaltation, For the Sunday Schools of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Gospel Doctrine Class, pages 378-379, 1967)
Orson Pratt
“God, the Father of our spirits, became the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ according to the flesh. Hence, the Father saith concerning him, ‘Thou are my Son, this day have I begotten thee.’ We are informed in the first chapter of Luke, that Mary was chosen by the Father as a choice virgin, through whom He begat Jesus. The angel said unto the Virgin Mary, ‘The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore, also, that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.’ After the power of the Highest had overshadowed Mary, and she had by that means conceived, she related the circumstance to her cousin Elizabeth in the following words: ‘He that is Mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is His name.’ It seems from this relation that the Holy Ghost accompanied ‘the Highest’ when He overshadowed the Virgin Mary and begat Jesus; and from this circumstance some have supposed that the body of Jesus was begotten of the Holy Ghost without the instrumentality of the immediate presence of the Father. There is no doubt that the Holy Ghost came upon Mary to sanctify her, and make her holy, and prepare her to endure the glorious presence of “the Highest’, that when ‘He’ should ‘overshadow’ her she might conceive, being filled with the Holy Ghost; hence the angel said, as recorded in Matthew, ‘That which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost;’ that is, the Holy Ghost gave her strength to abide in the presence of the Father without being consumed, but it was the personage of the Father who begat the body of Jesus; and for this reason Jesus is called ‘the Only Begotten of the Father;’ that is, the only one in this world whose fleshly body was begotten by the Father. There were millions of sons and daughters who he begat before the foundation of this world, but they were spirits, and not bodies of flesh and bones; whereas, both the spirit and body of Jesus were begotten by the Father—the spirit having been begotten in heaven many ages before the tabernacle was begotten upon the earth.
“The fleshly body of Jesus required a Mother as well as a Father. Therefore, the Father and Mother of Jesus, according to the flesh, must have been associated together in the capacity of Husband and Wife; hence the Virgin Mary must have been, for the time being, the lawful wife of God the Father; we use the term lawful Wife, because it would be blasphemous in the highest degree to say that He overshadowed her or begat the Savior unlawfully. It would have been unlawful for any man to have interfered with Mary, who was already espoused to Joseph; for such a heinous crime would have subjected both the guilty parties to death, according to the law of Moses. But God having created all men and women, had the most perfect right to do with His own creation, according to His holy will and pleasure: He had a lawful right to overshadow the Virgin Mary in the capacity of a husband, and beget a Son, although she was espoused to another; for the law which He gave to govern men and women was not intended to govern Himself, or to prescribe rules for His own conduct. It was also lawful in Him, after having thus dealt with Mary, to give her to Joseph her espoused husband. Whether God the Father gave Mary to Joseph for time only, or for time and eternity, we are not informed. Inasmuch as God was the first husband to her, it may be that He only gave her to be the wife of Joseph while in the mortal state, and that He intended after the resurrection to again take her as one of his own wives to raise up immortal spirits in eternity.
“As God the Father begat the fleshly body of Jesus, so He, before the world began, begat his spirit. As the body required an earthly Mother, so his spirit required a heavenly Mother. As God associated in the capacity of a husband with the earthly mother, so likewise he associated in the same capacity with the heavenly one; earthly things being in the likeness of heavenly things; and that which is temporal being in the likeness of that which is eternal; or, in other words, the laws of generation upon the earth are after the order of the laws of generation in heaven” (The Seer, pp. 158-9; cf. B. H. Roberts, Defense of the Faith and the Saints, vol 2, p. 270)
“We have now clearly shown that God the Father had a plurality of wives, one or more being in eternity, by whom He begat our spirits as well as the spirit of Jesus His First Born, and another being upon the earth by whom He begat the tabernacle of Jesus, as His Only Begotten in this world.” (The Seer, pp. 172-3)
Whew!
All of this Scrutinizin' is getting downright TIRESOME!!
MORMON
ATTITUDES OF SUPERIORITY
1. I’m Superior; I have a special gift of the holy Ghost -- you don’t!
2. I’m Superior; I have God’s true priesthood power -- you don’t! 3. I’m Superior; I can go in God’s secret Temple -- you can’t! 4. I’m Superior; I’ve been Endowed with special Gifts and Knowledge -- you’re just normal! 5. I’m Superior; I’ll have my family with me in heaven -- you’ll be with strangers! 6. I’m Superior; I’m becoming a God -- you aren’t! 7. I’m Superior; My women know their place as servants of man and yours don’t. 8. I’m Superior; YOUR creeds are wrong because they come from man - mine comes from God (you can find each one printed in our Scriptures). 9. I’m Superior; I don’t HAVE a creed - I’ve got 13 Articles of Faith. 10. I'm Superior; I have 4 "Bibles"-- the standard works (5 if you count the JST) -- you've only got one: in as far as it is translated correctly. 11. I’m Superior; I can lie with impunity about such things as church membership, church growth, church doctrine, church history, church influence, etc. — -- You can’t. 12. I’m Superior; I am right (everybody knows) when I say 'evangelical' Christians are lunatics -- -- You’re a hideous narrow-minded bigot, who is persecuting me by practicing discrimination by saying I'm not a Christian.
13. I'm Superior; I have a testimony about a prophet -- you don't. 14. I'm Superior; I have a Scripture-producing Amos 3:7 prophet -- you don't 15. I’m Superior; I have a Living Prophet who talks to god every day -- you have a dim-witted hireling of Satan who only talks to himself. 16. I'm Superior; I have my calling & election made sure -- you don't. 17. I’m Superior; I have magic underwear to protect me from the bogey man -- you don’t. 18. I’m Superior; I have secret clasps and grips to give the angel so I get admitted to the celestial kingdom -- you don’t ;so you can’t. 19. I'm Superior; I know secret handshake codes for afterlife entrances-- you don't. 20. I’m Superior; I will see Joseph Smith setting on the right hand of GOD, when I get to Mormon heaven, and he will recognize me and judge me favorably -- You’re on your own; when you get to wherever you’re going! 21. I’m Superior; I’m going to hie to Kolob -- you’re going to who knows where. 22. I’m Superior; I get to have a harem and act like a celestial stud for time and all eternity -- you don’t. 23. I’m Superior; I have sun stones, moon stones, sky stones, cloud stones, Saturn stones, and the evil eye of Osirus guarding my temple -- You have nothing but a stupid cross.
24. I’m Superior; My church has billions in assets stashed away -- yours has taken a stupid vow of poverty. 25. I'm Superior; Last - we have the power to keep a whole race out of our priesthood if we wanted to reinsert our 148-year legacy (we ARE still keeping an entire GENDER at bay!) 26. I'm superior; I have the "higher law" -- everyone else "lives under the "lesser law' because I say so...(over and over). Revision 46.5
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I have always believed that Mormonism was a cult. I've had that belief since the early 1970's when I visited my mother's brother and his wife. They had converted to Mormonism because their small town's Episcopalian church was, for some reason, unacceptable. The other church was Catholic--not an option. So they became Mormons.
So, I've heard about Mormonism until my aunt finally passed away five years ago. The uncle never did follow it.
My aunt had prayed me into Mormon heaven way back then...and I hadn't known that there WAS a different heaven for Mormons. It was then that I got the idea that Mormonism was a wacky cult, accent on the wacky.
The Jim Jones cult was also wacky but the Mormons, though wacky are NOT sickos, the JJ cult was. The Mormons are extremely successful, hard-working and all that VERY GOOD stuff. But any "faith" that believes that their elders will become rulers, that is, gods (small "g") on distant planets when they die is WACKY! That violates the first commandment and you know it. The Mormons, however much they propound it, are NOT Christians.
If I offended you, I apologize. However, if you are a long-standing member here in FR, your skin HAS to be thick, or you would have ulcers!
The Mormons have been around 160 years...the Catholic Church has been around 2000 years, tied in COMPLETELY, as Jesus WAS/IS the long-awaited Messiah, with Judasim which has been around another 1000+ years.
The Mormons, if the media is to be believed, is bleeding constituents. It had to happens when the Internet arrived. Now the Mormons aren't so insulated and their young can see "other truths."
IMHO, Jesus and HIS faith, will win. It can't lose since HIS faith had/has/will ALWAYS have the Holy Spirit guiding it.
P.S. I don't ski and avoid snow whenever possible. The Mormons settled in NOWHERE to avoid being run out of every town on a rail. They built their wacko cult where "no man has gone before." It won't last in the full light of today.
