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Posted on 02/14/2012 4:00:49 PM PST by pastorbillrandles
Amen! They are not the answer....Christ Jesus is...and until they "focus" on the Christ rather than the Healers, and on Christ rather than the healing. Then it's most difficult to take these false events as anything other than what they are...a farce and deception to distract from the Gospel message of Christ in me the hope of Glory... and damaging to the Body of believers and those who might come.
So stand tall in Him ...in righteous judgement... on all which opposes the clear teachings of Christ.
Wait.... what...????
Now we have to wait for God to tell us we're healed?
Whatever happened to just believe and it will be so?
You forgot the first part of that verse, as follows, and which clarifies in what context doubt is being used...important to consider....
“Consider it pure joy, my brothers, whenever you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith develops perseverance. .....PERSEVERANCE MUST FINISH ITS WORK..... so that .....you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything...... If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given him...... But when he asks, he must believe and not doubt, because he who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. That man should not think he will receive anything from the Lord; he is a double-minded man, unstable in all he does .....(James 1:1-8).
Perseverance is the ability to keep right on going with joy in our hearts despite apparent setbacks and disappointments, illnesses, hardships etc. and this seems to be a quality that the Lord values almost beyond all else.
There is another passage in the Bible that teaches exactly this same thing. .....in Romans 5...... Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we rejoice in the hope of the glory of God.... Not only so, but we also rejoice in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance….
Notice the same sequence… Sufferings… joy… perseverance….
Suffering produces perseverance;.. perseverance,.. character;.. and character,.. hope... And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out His love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, whom He has given us.
From our perspective, stress and strain and problems and pain are those things that mar our lives....... but from God’s perspective, those are the things that develop our faith ....and our perseverance and make us people of maturity..... James said: Perseverance must finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything.
Ah...Just to clarify what the 'stripes' Christ suffered accomplished..and of which we are healed as follows:
The healing here referred to, is 'spiritual healing', or healing from sin...... Pardon of sin, and restoration to the favor of God,.....these are not unfrequently represented as an act of healing.
The fact sinners are often represented as crushed,.. broken,... bruised ...by the weight of their transgressions, and so the removal of the load of sin is repesented as an act of healing.
'I said, O Lord, be merciful unto me; heal my soul, for I have sinned againt thee' Psalm 41:4.
Have mercy upon me, O Lord, for I am weak; O Lord, heal me, for my bones are vexed' Psalm 6:2.
The idea here is, that the Messiah would be scourged; and that it would be by that scourging that health would be imparted.... 'to our souls'.
'Sin' is a disease belonging to all men, a natural, hereditary, nauseous, and incurable one, ...but by the blood of Christ; forgiving sin is 'a healing of this disease'; and this is to be had in no other way than through the stripes and wounds,.. the blood and sacrifice,.. of the Son of God.
"By My Stripes you were healed" Really? That's a quote from Scripture? Chapter and verse please?
And while healing comes through His stripes, the verse does NOT say that everyone will be healed on demand.
It just states that the mechanism for healing is through the stripes so that if we're healed, we know how it came about.
With all the emphasis on physical healing, people often forget that there’s emotional healing and mental healing as well and they are not insignificant.
I’ve gotten a LOT of emotional healing recently, but it doesn’t show, now does it?
But no, that’s not good enough either. It HAS to be physical healing, although I wouldn’t trade off for that in a heart beat. The not eating is nothing compared to the emotional mess I was before.
I’ve been on most sides of such issues.
I’ve also extended everyone on this thread enormous understanding and compassion repeatedly over a lot of years hereon.
It’s been quite interesting to see what’s NOT RETURNED in such regards to the slightest degree. Very impressively “Christian” in all the terms y’all have been screaming at me so much about.
Very impressive.
INDEED.
WELL PUT.
Quix, the rest of us see you on a dangerous path to deception.
We are trying to warn you of what we see as a danger to you that you seem to be unaware of. We are posting Scripture to substantiate ourselves and get cartoons in return.
You want to see that as rock throwing and lacking in compassion and understanding, well, nobody can stop you. However, as a psychologist, you ought to be able to see the projecting that we see you engaging in.
Disagreeing with you does not make a martyr out of you. Warning you of danger we see to you does not make a martyr out of you. That label isn’t wearing well on you. Let it go.
Yes.
On Sickness and afflictions:
Some sicknesses are from God....
....”Who has made man’s mouth? Or who makes him dumb or deaf, or seeing or blind? Is it not I, the Lord?” ...Exodus 4:11
God made the disabled and infirm..... Babies are born every day with defects. ....Many children grow up with congenital deformities. ....Some people have illnesses that last for years..... While it is unexplainable according to our human logic, it is all part of God’s sovereign, loving plan.
Some sicknesses are from Satan......
God may allow Satan to inflict illness for His own sovereign reasons..... The classic example is Job... Job chapter 1 also Luke 13:11-13
Some sickness is God’s chastisement for sin. .....
....”Before I was afflicted I went astray, but now I keep Thy word” .....Ps. 119:67.. also Numbers 12.. Deut. 28:20-22... 2 Kings 5
Other examples:
God tormenting the Egyptians with skin boils... Ex. 9:8-12
Inflicting King Jeroboam with leprosy....2 Kings 15:5
Striking Saul with blindness ....Acts 9:1-19
The Bible also tells us plainly that God disciplines the Church through sickness, hardship, and even death... 1 Cor. 11:28-30... Heb. 12:7... Acts 5:1-11 ......
That we should joyfully accept trials “of many kinds” because God uses them to make us mature James 1:2-4... Psalm 119:71,75. .......
Clearly God allows and even causes sickness for His own sovereign purposes.
Nothing like having health problems to get our attention focused on God.
I don’t know of really any people who sought God when they were fat, dumb, and happy. When things are going well in any area of our lives, we don’t see the need to seek God. We think we can handle it on our own.
Nothing like having health problems to cut the ego down to size. It can force us into a corner that forces us to look up instead of in, just like financial hardship. People only cry out to God when they’re having problems and there’s nothing so near and dear to our hearts as our health and prosperity.
I agree.
You are not supposed to be engaged in martyrdom. You are supposed to be engaged in being an ambassador for Christ. Preaching to the lost the reconciliation that God is offering man based purely on the finished work of Christ. That is our commission. When is the last time you laid aside your signs, wonders, miracles, speaking in tongues, etc. for the gospel of the grace of God?
As God is my witness, I have no animosity toward you. It is the deceit and deception that concerns me. You cannot be a watchman if you are focused on yourself.
1. Thanks for your caring . . . I think.
2. Thankfully, God’s opinion matters most.
3. Thankfully, those I most respect who know me best face to face, as well as on the net, are great accountability Brothers and Sisters.
4. I still think y’all’s perspective is off the wall UNBiblical.
5. As well as dangerously close to ascribing to Holy Spirit evil doings—an extremely hazardous spiritual stance and perspective.
Nowhere has anyone done that.
Depends -- Assemblies of God don't preach quite the same...
PERSEVERANCE MUST FINISH ITS WORK..... so that .....you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything.
Immaturity = thin skinned.
Nowhere has anyone done that.
Bookmark for later reply if I have time: there may have been one or two remarks upthread which I took as close to a categorical denial of the gifts of the Spirit "nowadays".
"Warning, Will Robinson, Danger, Danger."
Stay focused. You brought it up She obviously had enough faith that God could and did heal her to go off her medications. You know this mystery person, I don't.
Whatever happened to just believe and it will be so?
Go to The Word, meditate on it and perhaps it will be found.
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