Posted on 02/03/2012 3:51:42 PM PST by Gamecock
Not sure what you mean. Several years ago, the casket of Therese of Liesieuw was exhibited at a convent near my city. Famous is the uncorrupted boy of Bernardette. We are not to blame for the protestant attitudes of some of our bishops. And the beatific vision is no more than a theological expression of John’s vision of the New Jerusalem.
If archaeologists later agree that the fragments are indeed from Noah’s ark, that will be a matter of real interest to Christians, but this should add nothing to our confidence in the Bible
It may surprise whoever wrote it, but I as a Catholic can say the same thing, and with greater precision. That a particular relic one day proves archaeological true or false will be of real interest to me but this will not either add to or subtract from my confidence in the Faith and doctrine of Jesus Christ given me by the Catholic and Orthodox Church. Further that one, or very many, relic may be a hoax does not add credulity to the Protestant charlatans and their idiotic and counter-scriptural doctrines.
You wrote:
“You know you are shooting yourself in the foot.”
Pointing out your errors in no way injures any part of me. Getting history right doesn’t effect my ability to walk in the least.
“My attacks on protestants for abandoning and sneering at the patrimony of the ancient and undivided Church are more effective when it is clear that I am not a Latin.”
Attack Protestantism all you want. I do it often enough. Your effectiveness or lack thereof has more to do with knowledge and preparation than your religious affiliation.
“And drawing a sharp distinction is important.”
Being correct on the facts is the bedrock of making sharp distinctions. You failed with both. Try again.
“By way of brief answer: Note that Abp. Seraphim was suspended, the Greek priest cited was defrocked.:”
By way of brief rejoinder: how does their pedophilia show the Orthodox DON’T have a problem with pedophilia?
“It is precisely because the “pagan” (actually mixed religion — some of the Mongol hordes were pagan, some Buddhist, some Nestorian Christian) Mongols did not interfere with religion — the Mongol Empire was the first large-scale political entity with general religious toleration — that Nevsky allowed Novgorod to become tributary to the Mongols, but fought the Teutonic Knights, who were blessed by the Pope to reduce the “schismatics” to Papal jurisdiction. Actually not fighting the Mongols, whose only interests were worldly is a sign of Nevsky’s sanctity as much as fighting the Crusaders.”
Nevsky has somethings to recommend about him, but he was still kowtowed to pagan Mongols. Not much else he could do I suppose. His hero status among Russians is in sharp contrast to many of the actual actions of his life, however.
“Yes, the last catechism shifted a lot of teaching ‘eastward’, but for over 1000 years, the “beatific vision” stood at the height of Latin teaching on salvation,”
That doesn’t change the Church’s teaching on theosis on bit.
“and the basis for the veneration of relics as the bodies of deified men and women was missing.”
No, actually it wasn’t. You’ve never read Council of Trent (session XXV) have you? Yeah, it shows.
“(If you teach the same, why are your bishops giving away relics?)”
What does the one have to do with the other? We have given relics back to Orthodox churches (relics stolen by the Crusaders and others) and have given the Orthodox FREE churches no less.
Now, you were wrong on all counts. Deal with it.
And Catholics are not all Roman either.
I am a member of the Church of Rome. I am Catholic. I am NOT Roman Catholic. That is a term invented by Protestants. Even the Catholic Church uses the term only out of convienece sake - which I think is a huge mistake.
Our doctrines are those of the Apostles. The tradition of the Holy Fathers of the Seven Councils we scrupulously keep.
As for your words we do not listen to them and we do not want your doctrine.
(By way of friendly advice: don’t go horseback riding on any frozen lakes.)
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you wrote:
“Our doctrines are those of the Apostles.”
So you say.
“The tradition of the Holy Fathers of the Seven Councils we scrupulously keep.”
Again, so you say.
“As for your words we do not listen to them and we do not want your doctrine.”
Fine. Just get your history right. Don’t post falsehoods.
“(By way of friendly advice: don’t go horseback riding on any frozen lakes.)”
I’d rather take my chances with the lake, then kowtow to pagans and Muslims as your history is replete with.
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I have not found any scriptures that tells us that the gifts have ceased. I have heard the arguments, but none are on point, nor convincing. I am willing to learn if I am wrong. Tell me where Scripture clearly tells us gifts which the Bible says are without repentance have ceased. Please use only Scripture and please do not wrest it to fit a previously conceived doctrine.
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Ephesians 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
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