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To: Cronos

Oops! Turns out only 1.2%, not 4% of the colonists were Catholic. So that three signers were Catholic is quite something.

(Wikipedia, citing Middleton, 225. Also see Michael Lee Lanning, The American Revolution 100 (Napierville:Ill.: Sourcebook,Inc.), 193.)


83 posted on 02/03/2012 8:04:16 AM PST by dangus
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To: dangus; Texas Fossil; Mariner
dangus: Turns out only 1.2%, not 4% of the colonists were Catholic. So that three signers were Catholic is quite something.

yes, 3 out of 55 is 5.5% --> so the Catholics were present way beyond their numbers.

Even Washington pointed out that CAtholics fought on the American side way in excess of their proportional population.

Mariner -- your statement that none of the founders were Catholic belies an incredible lack of knowledge of American history -- I would suggest more reading

As I posted above

  1. There were no Baptists among the Founding Fathers --> there were
    1. Church of England/Episcopalian: 28
    2. Presbyterian: 8
    3. Congregationalists: 8
    4. Lutherans: 2
    5. Dutch Reformed: 2
    6. Methodists: 2
    7. Catholics: 3 (C. Caroll, D. Caroll & Fitzsimons)
    8. Deists: 7 (including Thomas Jefferson
    So perhaps since there were no Baptists, they shouldn't be considered (according to your statement) Americans?

  2. Evidently you never heard that Maryland was founded for providing religious toleration of England's persecuted Roman Catholics?

  3. Evidently you never knew that John Caroll had initially been a priest before devoting himself to the Revolution?

  4. Evidently you never heard of Fr. Pierre Gibault who pledged the support of the region of S-W Indiana to the USA (to Col. George Rogers Clark)?

  5. Evidently you never heard of the accomplishments of John Barry, a native Irishman who captained a number of ships during the war. Barry was the first to capture a British war vessel on the high seas; he also was wounded in a sea batter yet captured two British ships and fought the last battle on the seas of the Revolutionary war. He was George Washington's choice for commander of the US navy -- he was issued Commission Number 1 by Washintong and was not only the first American commissioned naval officer but also it's first flag officer

  6. Evidently you've never heard of the Marquis de Lafayette, a Catholic or the Polish captain Tadeusz Kosciuszko and both were key in the Revolutionary War?
  7. Evidently you never heard of Casimir Pułaski, a Pole who led Washington's cavalry and died in the battle for Savannah

  8. Evidently you never heard of the Catholic Philadelphia merchant Stephen Moylan who became Quatermaster General of the Continental Army?

  9. John Caroll says this about Catholic participation in the Revolutionary war (remember the country was only 1.6% Catholic):"Their blood flowed as freely, in proportion to their numbers, to cement the fabric of independence as that of their fellow citizens. They concurred with perhaps greater unanimity than any other body of men in recommending and promoting from whose influence America anticipates all the blessings of justice, peace, plenty, good orders, and civil and religious liberty"

The religious freedom fought for was also religious freedom for Catholics from Protestant England, hence the Catholic volunteers and support from Catholic Irishmen, Frenchmen and Poles.

98 posted on 02/03/2012 11:58:32 PM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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