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To: metmom

OSAS is hypocritical. Someone can claim they are saved and then go off and murder someone, have an abortion, tell untruths, post falsehoods.

OSAS will never fly with God the Father.


45 posted on 01/22/2012 7:29:05 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
OSAS will never fly with God the Father.

Jesus said otherwise. Jesus promises us that security.

John 3:14-18 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

John 6:37-40 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. 40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.

John 10:7-9 7 So Jesus again said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All who came before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. 9 I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture.

John 10:27-29 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.

47 posted on 01/22/2012 8:14:02 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Salvation
Someone can claim they are saved and then go off and murder someone, have an abortion, tell untruths, post falsehoods.

Well most wouldn't if they are saved to begin with, without truly resisting the inner turmoil the Lord would bring on them for even the thought of doing so.

On the other hand...King David had a heart after God and yet he hired the murder of the husband of his mistress.

Therefore none are exempt from further sin once they are saved...the sinful nature still remains though thru Christ can be overcome.

But...IMO the degree of 'consequences' will be less than what they otherwise would suffer because they are IN Christ. ...unless they continue to ignore His warnings and correction. Then it will ultimately lead to their death should they continue in the sin He's pointed out to them.

I have seen those who are indeed saved determine to go thru life as they will just the same and despite the Lord's correction....interesting is He simply removes them in due time. But of course this happens to us all...no one escapes physical death...."sin brings forth death"...and we are still sinners.

The only difference among men is some are 'saved' sinners, others are "doomed" sinners...but we are all sinners before a Holy God.

80 posted on 01/23/2012 11:19:49 AM PST by caww
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To: Salvation; caww
Someone can claim they are saved and then go off and murder someone, have an abortion, tell untruths, post falsehoods.

Substitute the word "Christian" for "saved." It's the same thing. The proof is in the pudding.

If a person acts like a Christian, believes like a Christian and prays like a Christian, chances are that person is a Christian.

Same with being saved. If a person acts as a Christian, believes as a Christian and prays like a Christian, that person is most probably saved

And if we murder and lie and cheat without remorse or repentance, we were probably never Christians to begin with and thus we are not saved.

It's not rocket science. We are what we believe.

114 posted on 01/23/2012 3:36:25 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Salvation; metmom
OSAS is hypocritical. Someone can claim they are saved and then go off and murder someone, have an abortion, tell untruths, post falsehoods.

OSAS will never fly with God the Father.

I believe you are mistaken over the meaning of OSAS.

"Once Saved" has nothing to do with what one claims. It has everything to do with being saved by the Lord.

If you are ONCE saved by the Lord you are SAVED. Verstehen?

183 posted on 01/26/2012 9:13:38 AM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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