CNN: 60% South Carolina voters say religion mattered, flipping results from Romney [Vanity]

Colofornian | Jan. 21, 2012 | Colofornian

[Colofornian]

Many GOP voters -- including some well-meaning Freepers -- keep attempting to lecture voters that Mitt Romney's Mormonism "doesn't matter."

Well, tell that to three of every five South Carolina primary voters who, according to CNN exit polls, said a candidate's religion mattered either "a great deal" or "somewhat."

Click EXIT POLLS: South Carolina for polling data.

Only 40 percent of South Carolina GOP voters said that the "Religious Beliefs of Candidates Matter... Not Much/Not at All"

Two-fifths of the "Not Much/Not at All" Crowd voted pro-Romney -- compared to...
...less than one-third of them voting for Gingrich...
...less than 1 in 8 for Paul...
...and less than 1 in 16 for Santorum.

BUT...of the "Great Deal/Somewhat" Voting bloc...Romney couldn't even beat Santorum...(20-22%)...while 46% of them voted for Gingrich!

80 percent of South Carolina GOP voters identified themselves as Protestants. Their vote breakdown was:
* 42% Gingrich;
* 27% Romney;
* 17% Santorum;
* 12% Paul.

13 percent of South Carolina voters identified themselves as Roman Catholic. Their vote breakdown was:
* 37% Gingrich;
* 29% Romney;
* 15% Santorum;
* 10% Paul.

When you split out the Evangelicals/born agains within the Protestant vote, they voted:
* 44% Gingrich;
* 22% Romney;
* 21% Santorum;
* 13% Paul.

For every Evangelical voting for Romney, one was voting for Santorum...and more than two were voting for Gingrich.

For those who might be tempted to reduce these South Carolina results to a "bigoted" Southern state, think again. A late 2006 Rasmussen poll -- Election 2008: 43% Would Never Vote for Mormon Candidate (Rasmussen Poll) -- revealed:

The Rasmussen Reports survey found that 35% say that a candidate's faith and religious beliefs are very important in their voting decision. Another 27% say faith and religious beliefs are somewhat important. Ninety-two percent (92%) of Evangelical Christian voters consider a candidate's faith and beliefs important. On the partisan front, 78% of Republicans say that a candidate's faith is an important consideration, a view shared by 55% of Democrats. However, there is also a significant divide on this topic within the Democratic Party. Among minority Democrats, 71% consider faith and religious beliefs an important consideration for voting. Just 44% of white Democrats agree.

So…what percent of the following groups found that a candidate’s faith and religious beliefs are an important consideration for voting?
(1) Americans: 62%
(2) Evangelical Christians: 92%
(3) Republicans: 78%
(4) Minority Democrats 71%
(5) Democrats: 55% [still a majority]

If the other-worldly worldviews of a POTUS candidate doesn't phase your trust in their character, gullibility, level of discernment, etc...So be it. (It's a Free Republic)

But for those voters who do integrate such considerations amongst other criteria such as social issues' stances, candidate viability, scandal-free past, economic policies, and the like, this included dimension of religion describes a majority of voters!

[Between the Lines]

If you go look at the rest of the poll you will see that those who think that abortion should be illegal were almost exactly the same percent and voted for Romney/Gingrich in the same percentages as those who thought religion to be important.

Could it possibly be that this isn’t about Mormonism but abortion instead?

[reaganaut]

To you, but not to a lot of other people.

Worldview matters and frankly, having been Mormon myself, Mormonism matters to me.

That said, I have no problem voting for a Catholic or even a conservative Jew. At least we believe in the same God.

[Aria]

Have to admit I don’t know a ton about Mormons. Are you saying that they don’t believe in the same God?

[willk]

So the majority responding to this post seem to agree a good reason to vote against Mitt was his religion? Even if it meant voting for someone who is just as much a “RINO”? Even if it meant voting for a serial adulterer?

[reaganaut]

Are you saying that they don’t believe in the same God?

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That is EXACTLY what I am saying. The Mormons believe in 3 separate Gods (2 of which have bodies of flesh and bone), and the existence of millions of other gods.

They believe God the Father (”Elohim”) was once a man (and a Mormon) who lived on his own planet, sinned, needed a savior, died and ‘progressed’ to being a God. They also believe that by being good Mormons they too can become gods with their own planets.

If you are a Christian, they also believe in a very different Jesus, their Jesus is the spirit brother of Lucifer, another exalted man who is not eternal but created and didnt’ die on the cross to pay for sin, but rather sweat blood in the Garden and only until we can pay him back with our good works.

I can source all of this, and I can give you links to more information. The more you know about Mormonism the wierder it gets.

[reaganaut]

When it comes down to it, I will take a repentant adulterer over a Mormon any day.

See my tagline, I have known far too many LDS to ever trust one in office.

And, Newt is not as liberal as Romney.

[cookcounty]

So with one Mormon and two Catholics, how come Ron Paul did so badly??????

Or, another way to look at it, the Catholics with two candidates got 2/3 of the non-Paul vote and Romney got 1/3...isn’t that about what you should expect if Religion didn’t matter?

[Nifster]

I am with you on this....I think that is why his taxes are so slow in being released

[CT]

Mor, mor, mor, mor. Morman, a different religion than Christianity, played a role in voters decisions.

Thus, the M-Card is almost now in the open.

[FastCoyote]

Colofornian, we’ve been telling people Romney couldn’t carry the evangelical base for five years and man have we taken heat for it. Why would the GOP push Romney so hard knowing this??

[Elsie]

Congratulations Freeper and Inmans, we may have have just stopped the cult from taking over a second third of our national government.

I guess an encyclical will be coming along soon; to expand on this Post-it-Note®!

Office of First President & Living Prophet

November 1st, 2011

The message for this month is -

...to stay on our mantra: We ARE Christians!!

We've been taking a beating on the Internet - especially from those hateful ANTIs on FreeRepublic!

 

We MUST keep the media constantly informed of those things the world considers christian.

We must NOT allow our MORMONness to show thru, as it has gotten a really bad rap thru history - lord only knows why...

 

 

Tommy

[Elsie]

The unchurched don’t know it from Marsupialism.

Let me JUMP into this conversation and warn you to Watch out; or His Noodliness will put YOU into a POCKET!

[Elsie]

The unchurched don’t know it from Marsupialism.

Let me JUMP into this conversation and warn you to Watch out; or His Noodliness will put YOU into a POCKET!

[Elsie]

13 percent of South Carolina voters identified themselves as Roman Catholic. Their vote breakdown was: * 29% Romney;

Evidently them 'voters' have NO idea what the great Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day SAINTS leaders has SAID about them and their church!

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Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

 

 

 

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses

, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).

 

 

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).

 

 

 

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

 

 

 

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

 

 

 

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

 

 

 

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

 

 

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

[Elsie]

You are getting your clock cleaned because you don’t stand for anything and you are generally full of shit.

[Elsie]

How much do you know about Mormonism?

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The Articles of Faith
of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

 

1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
   We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
10. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may
11. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
12. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith

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[Elsie]

Are you saying that they don’t believe in the same God?

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President N. Eldon Tanner, Conference Report, October 1969, Second Day—Morning Meeting, p.49

Probably the very earliest scriptural account we have of man and his relationship to God, and which shows beyond doubt that we had a premortal existence in the spirit world with God, is the record of the council in heaven as revealed to Moses and Abraham.

Elder Milton R. Hunter, Conference Report, October 1968, Afternoon Meeting, p.35

The holy scriptures declare that there were many noble and great spirits among God's numerous sons in the grand council in heaven before this world was created. Speaking of their future mortal probation, the Eternal Father proclaimed that he would make these noble and great ones his rulers. Thus they were chosen in heaven and foreordained by God to become prophets, seers, and revelators in mortality.

Elder Milton R. Hunter, Conference Report, October 1968, Afternoon Meeting, p.35

"Every man who has a calling to minister to the inhabitants of the world was ordained to that very purpose in the Grand Council of heaven before this world was. I suppose that I was ordained to this very office in that Grand Council." (Joseph Fielding Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 365.)

Elder Eldred G. Smith, Conference Report, April 1968, Afternoon Meeting, p.43s

the story unfolds, when it was time for Elohim to prepare the earth for occupancy, the Head of the gods called a Council of the gods and there the gods concocted the plan for earth. Elohim asked his two eldest sons--brothers (probably from Elohim's #1 wife), to prepare plans for the Council to review. These brothers were Jesus and Lucifer!

Upon review of the plans, the Council chose the plan of Jesus and he was raised to the position of godhood. Apparently, the vote was a close one, for Lucifer became angry over the decision. He led one- third of the children of Elohim into an open rebellion over the decision. They battled against one-third of the children who were in agreement with the Council decision. The other third of Elohim's children were obedient to the Council, but didn't want to get involved in the battle. They were not valiant in defending the decision.

It is hard to imagine how we fought without physical bodies, or why Elohim was unable to control his own children, but at the end of the fighting, those who fought for Jesus won. Lucifer and one third of our brothers and sisters were cast out from Kolob, and arrived here on earth as Satan and the demons.

Those who fought valiantly with Jesus would come to earth as the white and delightsome people--the more valiant we were, the blonder our hair; the whiter our skin. The less valiant we were, the darker our complexion and hair. That third who did not want to get involved became the black race, born under the curse of Cain. There were no neutrals in Kolob!

Elder Milton R. Hunter, Conference Report, April 1952, Afternoon Meeting, p.122

As President Clark pointed out in his masterful discourse this morning, Jesus Christ, at the grand council in heaven declared that the sons and daughters of God would be placed upon this earth to " . . . prove them herewith, to see if they will do all things whatsoever the Lord their God shall command them." And the Master gave the promise to them that those who were successful in doing so, would " . . . have glory added upon their heads for ever and ever." (Abraham 3:25-26.)

President J. Reuben Clark, Jr, Conference Report, October 1938, Afternoon Meeting, p.136

Repeated reference has been made to the great council in heaven, and to what it meant. One element of it I should like to refer to, namely, what Satan then proposed to do was to give salvation without labor, that is, to get something for nothing. This is the spirit which is abroad today. It is the spirit which we must fight, or it will destroy us.

President J. Reuben Clark, Jr., Conference Report, April 1936, Church of the Air Broadcast, p.46

We believe that in a great council in heaven held before the world was, Satan proposed one plan for creating and ruling the world and its progeny, and that Christ proposed another; that Satan's plan was rejected, as taking away the agency of man, and Christ's was accepted as keeping man's agency.

Elder Milton R. Hunter, Conference Report, October 1949, Second Day—Morning Meeting, p.69

Joseph Smith tells us that at that grand council the head God of all the Gods called the council, and the purpose was to present a plan whereby his children were to come into mortal earth and have the experience of mortality and then return back into the presence of God. The Eternal Father explained to his children that mortal beings would forget their premortal experiences and the gospel truths after they had come from the presence of God and, therefore, they would have to have a Savior in order that they might be taught the Gospel truths again. He also declared that they would not have the power to break the bands of death and bring about resurrection and that they would have to have a Savior for that purpose also.

 

 

 

[Elsie]

Are you saying that they don’t believe in the same God?

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Praise to the Man!

 

 

 

Praise to the man who communed with Jehovah!
Jesus annointed that Prophet and Seer.
Blessed to open the last dispensation,
Kings shall extol him, and nations revere.

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.

Praise to his mem'ry, he died as a martyr;
Honored and blest be his ever great name!
Long shall his blood, which was shed by assasins,
Plead unto heav'n while the earth lauds his fame.

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.

Great is his glory and endless his priesthood.
Ever and ever the keys he will hold.
Faithful and true he will enter his kingdom,
Crowned in the midst of the prophets of old.

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.

Sacrifice brings forth the blessings of heaven;
Earth must atone for the blood of that man.
Wake up the world for the conflict of justice.
Millions shall know 'Brother Joseph' again.

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.

[Elsie]

Mor, mor, mor, mor. Morman, a different religion than Christianity, played a role in voters decisions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25PGOODs99o

[greyfoxx39]

Congratulations Freeper and Inmans, we may have have just stopped the cult from taking over a second third of our national government.

IMO, the multi-million dollar tv and radio campaigns with the "I'm a mormon" and other PR gambits by the mormon church have succeeded in waking up a section of the American public to the arcane doctrines and beliefs of the mormon church...unintended consequences.

I can see a person who knew nothing about the sect watching one of those commercials and thinking, "Duh, how weird is that!.

Also, the continued attempt by mormons to force Christians to consider mormonism as just another Christian sect when it is not has, as you can see in posts on FR, infuriated many Christians.

The Flying Inmans have been working for several years to provide the facts to FReepers. I think that SC indicates the probability that Mitt Romney cannot receive the votes of the Christian and Evangelical base.