Posted on 01/15/2012 10:10:29 PM PST by bibletruth
No it’s not.
Luke 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
First of all Mary surely didn’t realize she was sinless.
Luke 1:29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
How could anyone think that a person who is sinless doesn’t know it and others around that person wouldn’t have noticed?
Kecharitomene is a derivative of the word charitoo which we can find the meaning of here. [http://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?q=charitoo&rc=LEX&rc2=LEX+GRK&ps=10&s=References]
Charitoo
to make graceful charming, lovely, agreeable to peruse with grace, compass with favour to honour with blessings
This has been debated over and over and not once can anyone show that kecharitomene ever means sinless. On the other hand let’s look at words that do mean sinless. [http://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?q=sinless&rc=LEX&rc2=LEX+GRK&ps=10&s=References]
Anamartetos
sinless of one who has not sinned of one who cannot sin
Not once used to or about Mary.
Pluno
to wash: with reference to clothing use figuratively of those who by faith so appropriate the results of Christ's expiation as to be regarded by God as pure and sinless
Used about all true believers.
Anamartetos
sinless of one who has not sinned of one who cannot sin
Again, never used about or to Mary.
Hagion
reverend, worthy of veneration of things which on account of some connection with God possess a certain distinction and claim to reverence, as places sacred to God which are not to be profaned of persons whose services God employs, for example, apostles set apart for God, to be as it were, exclusively his services and offerings prepared for God with solemn rite, pure, clean in a moral sense, pure sinless upright holy
In Ephesians 1:6 we can see that God has granted every true believer with grace.
Ephesians 1:6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
Luke 1:28 is rightly translated “highly favored”. To try to make that verse somehow infer that Mary was sinless is deceitful.
LOL!
“...by your (Mary's) prayers, will deliver our souls from death.507”
Contemptible blasphemy. Concepts worthy of scorn because they rob the Triune God of His glory.
Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
Was John lying and it was really Mary who was the first resurrection?
And then post stuff from St. Paul.
LOL!
Where’s the Gospel?
To your credit, you have left me speechless.
For the time being.
The disagreement between Luther and Zwingli over the Eucharist is a case in point. The Church has always tried to resolve difference in synods and councils. Protestants also tried to do this for disputes among them; hence the several written Confessions, and even the negotiations with Catholics trying to arrange for a Council resolve differences. The multiplicity of sects comes because people choose to follow different leaders, or because some people prefer different styles of service, but very often because two brothers read the same text differently.
Don’t worry. You’ll soon regain your speech. :) It just takes a moment to let some posts keep us from falling over on the floor in disbelief...lol!
Yeah. I’m learning alright.
I’m learning of the blasphemy that says that Mary’s prayers will deliver souls from death.......
In the official Catechism of the Catholic church, no less.
Tell me, do you believe that? That as the official position of the Catholic church states, that Mary’s prayers will save your soul from death?
The Pharisees would have been impressed with that!
Don’t you want popecorn with some sodapope to wash it down?
ROFL! You KNOW I do! And a popesicle for dessert, please..:)
Name the Kings of the Old Testament who were married and his mother was still the queen.
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
The eucharist. OK. Some people believe that it is transformed into the literal body and blood of Christ and we're to eat it literally and physically, but that contradicts the clear teaching of much other Scripture about the eating of blood.
Looking at it as a symbolic representation of Christ's suffering and death, is a more plausible and valid interpretation. It fits with the clear teaching of other Scripture. There is no contradiction and no rationalization required to excuse Jesus doing something that violated the Law He said He came to fulfill.
That said, if someone is trusting Jesus along for salvation, then that person is saved whether or not they think the bread and wine are transformed or not.
They can be wrong about that theology and still be saved, which is something Catholicism does no grant to someone who disagrees with them.
The only ones making it a salvific issue are the Catholics. Now granted, some Protestants will probably take that stand as well, but that puts them on equal standing as Catholics in that they consider it a salvific issue, while others don't, but Catholics who consider it a salvific issue are in NO position to criticize others for taking the same kind of stand they take themselves only from a different perspective.
While Catholics are gung ho about pointing out all the differences in theology that exist and *divide* non-Catholics, what they totally fail to see is the unity of belief in the gospel of grace.
There is a lot more room for differences in theology in Protestantism than Catholicism allows for. Catholicism demands adherence to its doctrine under the threat of eternal damnation.
Protestants recognize that people are in different stages of their walk with Christ and spiritual maturity and that God will deal with what needs to be corrected in His due time. A person may have theology that is off some, but may have issues of the heart that need more attention first.
Being in right relationship with other believers and family members is more important than having all their theological ducks lined up in a row.
Head knowledge is fine to an extent. The heart is what God is after.
The phrase "full of grace" in Greek is "plaras karitos" and it occurs in only two places in the New Testament.
"And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth," (John 1:14).
"And Stephen, full of grace and power, was performing great wonders and signs among the people," (Acts 6:8).
Neither one of those verses is about Mary. The verse that the RCC tries to make “full of grace” a deceitrul attempt to inject a meaning that is NOT there. Here’s the Greek interinear of that verse.
Kai eiselthōn pros autēn eipen Chaire kecharitōmenē
And having come to her said Greetings [you] favored one
Ho kyrios meta sou
The Lord [is] with you [http://interlinearbible.org/luke/1-28.htm]
In the King James Version
Luke 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
The Catholic Church needs to stop with the deceit.
"Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; by which also YE ARE SAVED, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that CHRIST DIED FOR OUR SINS according to the scriptures; and that HE WAS BURIED, and that HE ROSE AGAIN the third day according to the scriptures." 1 Cor. 15:1-4.
So we KNOW the gospel SAVES.
So what unites all believers?
"...That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body and partakers of His promise IN CHRIST BY THE GOSPEL..." Eph. 3:2,3,5,6,9.
So...how do we get "IN CHRIST"?
"For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free..." 1 Cor. 12:13.
We believers become a part of the body of Christ, when we believe the gospel of our salvation, and are baptized into the body of Christ (spiritual baptism) and are made ONE.
"There is ONE BODY, and ONE SPIRIT, even as ye are called in ONE HOPE of your calling. ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM, ONE GOD and FATHER of ALL, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." Eph. 4:4-6.
There is unity in belief of the gospel of grace. THAT is what unites us. Everything else is about our walk and service for God as saved believers, and has absolutely nothing to do with our salvation. The gospel of the grace of God is what saves and unites us, by the Holy Spirit, into one body, the body of Christ.
2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
If you believe it was Satan that appeared to the children at Fatima, I feel sorry for you.
Ephesians 1:13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,
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