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To: RobbyS; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; ...
Ephesians 2:4-10 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— 6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

The eucharist. OK. Some people believe that it is transformed into the literal body and blood of Christ and we're to eat it literally and physically, but that contradicts the clear teaching of much other Scripture about the eating of blood.

Looking at it as a symbolic representation of Christ's suffering and death, is a more plausible and valid interpretation. It fits with the clear teaching of other Scripture. There is no contradiction and no rationalization required to excuse Jesus doing something that violated the Law He said He came to fulfill.

That said, if someone is trusting Jesus along for salvation, then that person is saved whether or not they think the bread and wine are transformed or not.

They can be wrong about that theology and still be saved, which is something Catholicism does no grant to someone who disagrees with them.

The only ones making it a salvific issue are the Catholics. Now granted, some Protestants will probably take that stand as well, but that puts them on equal standing as Catholics in that they consider it a salvific issue, while others don't, but Catholics who consider it a salvific issue are in NO position to criticize others for taking the same kind of stand they take themselves only from a different perspective.

While Catholics are gung ho about pointing out all the differences in theology that exist and *divide* non-Catholics, what they totally fail to see is the unity of belief in the gospel of grace.

There is a lot more room for differences in theology in Protestantism than Catholicism allows for. Catholicism demands adherence to its doctrine under the threat of eternal damnation.

Protestants recognize that people are in different stages of their walk with Christ and spiritual maturity and that God will deal with what needs to be corrected in His due time. A person may have theology that is off some, but may have issues of the heart that need more attention first.

Being in right relationship with other believers and family members is more important than having all their theological ducks lined up in a row.

Head knowledge is fine to an extent. The heart is what God is after.

314 posted on 01/18/2012 2:12:24 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom; RobbyS
AMEN, mm.

"Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; by which also YE ARE SAVED, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that CHRIST DIED FOR OUR SINS according to the scriptures; and that HE WAS BURIED, and that HE ROSE AGAIN the third day according to the scriptures." 1 Cor. 15:1-4.

So we KNOW the gospel SAVES.

So what unites all believers?

"...That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body and partakers of His promise IN CHRIST BY THE GOSPEL..." Eph. 3:2,3,5,6,9.

So...how do we get "IN CHRIST"?

"For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free..." 1 Cor. 12:13.

We believers become a part of the body of Christ, when we believe the gospel of our salvation, and are baptized into the body of Christ (spiritual baptism) and are made ONE.

"There is ONE BODY, and ONE SPIRIT, even as ye are called in ONE HOPE of your calling. ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM, ONE GOD and FATHER of ALL, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." Eph. 4:4-6.

There is unity in belief of the gospel of grace. THAT is what unites us. Everything else is about our walk and service for God as saved believers, and has absolutely nothing to do with our salvation. The gospel of the grace of God is what saves and unites us, by the Holy Spirit, into one body, the body of Christ.

317 posted on 01/18/2012 2:36:59 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: metmom; RobbyS
That said, if someone is trusting Jesus along for salvation, then that person is saved whether or not they think the bread and wine are transformed or not.

Exactly! However, one can't say they are trusting Jesus alone and then repeat prayers to/about Mary and/or claim any works are needed for salvation.

James 1:7,8 "That man should not think he will receive anything from the Lord; A double minded man is unstable in all he does".

Matthew 12:37 "For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned." The tongue has the power of life and death.
344 posted on 01/18/2012 10:38:53 PM PST by presently no screen name
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