Posted on 01/15/2012 10:10:29 PM PST by bibletruth
1 Timothy 2:5 ...one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
If there is a debate here then it must follow Bible Scriptures to advocate reproofs, corrections, and instructions on how God the Father has ordained and appointed someone other than HIS SON Christ Jesus as that mediator. In light of 1 Timothy 2:5 - there is no debate here since God's Word clearly points out that that mediator is is Christ Jesus, who has been appointed 2,000 years ago between God and men.
Are you saying that you believe that a mother produces a child's soul? Do you believe that mother's create the baby's soul?
What else does your philosophy teach? We Christians whether Orthodox/Catholic/Oriental/Lutheran or Presbyterians or Pentecostals or Baptists or Methodists etc. believe that God created everything that is seen and unseen.
you are too quick to discount the whine “asking me about my beliefs is a personal question” - after all, if one worships what’s in the mirror, then that statement is 100% accurate...
Did JR die and leave you in charge?
This is a public forum. If you post a comment on it, anyone is free to answer.
Of course it's not mentioned because there's no way around it. When you can't twist Jesus' own words, the next best thing is to ignore them.
Why are you changing the subject?
My post, to which you responded, was about praying to saints and Mary to get to Jesus and then to get to God.
Going through Christ alone by default eliminates any justification for praying to any saints or Mary.
So, which is it? Christ alone, or saints and Mary then Christ, then God? (IOW, turtles all the way down)
Then why did you tell people to "bug off"? Are you saying that it's not ok for folks to do something that you can do?
and why do you demand answers for questions when anytime anyone asks you what you believe, you scream for the mods saying "asking personal questions"?
in fact, if anyone asked if believed in Jesus Christ as Lord, God and Savior, the scream was "personal questions are not allowed" -- strange....
That's so true.
Do you believe that a mother produces a child's soul? Do you believe that mother's create the baby's soul?
What else does your philosophy teach? We Christians whether Orthodox/Catholic/Oriental/Lutheran or Presbyterians or Pentecostals or Baptists or Methodists etc. believe that God created everything that is seen and unseen.
I do that? Show me where.
Links will suffice.
in fact, if anyone asked if believed in Jesus Christ as Lord, God and Savior, the scream was "personal questions are not allowed" -- strange....
Could you translate that please, or complete the sentence with some personal pronouns in there so anyone can tell whom you're addressing?
Or to Catholics who claim Mary was the 'other' mediator???
From the Catholic Encyclopedia, under “Question 72 Prayers with regard to the saints in heaven
I answer that, According to Dionysius (Eccl. Hier. v) the order established by God among things is that “the last should be led to God by those that are midway between.” Wherefore, since the saints who are in heaven are nearest to God, the order of the Divine law requires that we, who while we remain in the body are pilgrims from the Lord, should be brought back to God by the saints who are between us and Him: and this happens when the Divine goodness pours forth its effect into us through them. And since our return to God should correspond to the outflow of His boons upon us, just as the Divine favors reach us by means of the saints intercession, so should we, by their means, be brought back to God, that we may receive His favors again. Hence it is that we make them our intercessors with God, and our mediators as it were, when we ask them to pray for us.
Reply to Objection 1. It is not on account of any defect in God’s power that He works by means of second causes, but it is for the perfection of the order of the universe, and the more manifold outpouring of His goodness on things, through His bestowing on them not only the goodness which is proper to them, but also the faculty of causing goodness in others. Even so it is not through any defect in His mercy, that we need to bespeak His clemency through the prayers of the saints, but to the end that the aforesaid order in things be observed.
Reply to Objection 2. Although the greater saints are more acceptable to God than the lesser, it is sometimes profitable to pray to the lesser; and this for five reasons. First, because sometimes one has greater devotion for a lesser saint than for a greater, and the effect of prayer depends very much on one’s devotion. Secondly, in order to avoid tediousness, for continual attention to one thing makes a person weary; whereas by praying to different saints, the fervor of our devotion is aroused anew as it were. Thirdly, because it is granted to some saints to exercise their patronage in certain special cases, for instance to Saint Anthony against the fire of hell. Fourthly, that due honor be given by us to all. Fifthly, because the prayers of several sometimes obtain that which would not have been obtained by the prayers of one.”
Just a few paragraphs from the entry but the meaning is clear enough.
you are correct. It is then personal if a person worships herself or himself.
why do you demand answers for questions when anytime anyone asks you what you believe, you scream for the mods saying "asking personal questions"?
Those folks who, if asked if they believe in Jesus Christ as Lord, God and Savior, scream that “personal questions are not allowed” -
or is it a personal question to ask you what you believe? But surprisingly it’s not a personal question for you to ask anyone else? really?
John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
John 16:7-15 7 Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you. 8 And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment: 9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; 10 concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer; 11 concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.
12 “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. 15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
Acts 17:26-28 26 From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live. 27 God did this so that men would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us. 28 ‘For in him we live and move and have our being.’ As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.’
Romans 8:14 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
Hebrews 4:16 Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
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