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Israel-Church Differences (Dispensational Caucus)
BibleProphecyBlog.com ^ | January 12, 2012 | Dr. Andy Woods

Posted on 01/12/2012 3:09:17 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta

One of the rules of basic Bible interpretation is to recognize that the church and Israel represent separate programs of God. They are two trains running on separate railroad tracks. Theologian and founder of Dallas Theological Seminary, Lewis Sperry Chafer, noted twenty-four differences between Israel and the church. [1] Here are a few.

First, Israel is the wife of Jehovah (Isa 54) while the church is the bride of Christ (Eph 5:22-33). Second, Israel gave birth to Christ (Rev 12:1-5) whereas Christ gave birth to the church (Matt 16:18). Third, Christ will return to rescue Israel upon her national conversion at the end of the Tribulation period (Matt 23:37-39). Conversely, He will return to rescue the church at the rapture (John 14:1-3). Fourth, king-subject imagery is used to depict God's relationship to Israel (Isa 33:22) while head and groom imagery is used to depict Christ's relationship with His church (Eph 5:22-33). Fifth, God's program through Israel began in Genesis 12, and His program through the church began in Acts 2 (Matt 16:18; 1 Cor 12:13; Acts 1:5; 11:15-16).

Sixth, while four-fifths of the Bible pertains to Israel, only one-fifth of it deals with the church. Seventh, although Israel was a direct party to the biblical covenants (Jer 31:31-32), the church was not a party to these covenants since the church was not yet in existence when these covenants were made. The church's relationship to these covenants can best be described as one of a third-party beneficiary rather than a direct party to them. Therefore, the church benefits from the covenants as opposed to being a direct party to them. Eighth, Israel is a nation (Ps 147:20). As such, she is always biblically portrayed as an independent nation with borders and a capital. Even today Israel is among the nations of the earth, just like Japan, Argentina, Canada, or any other country. By contrast, the church is not a nation (Rom 10:19) but rather is comprised of people from all nations (Gal 3:28; Eph 2:11-22; 3:6, 15). Rather than taking her seat among the nations of the earth, the church is a mere pilgrim in the world system (1 Pet 2:11).

Ninth, while Israel fought physical wars with various enemies such as the Philistines, the church is engaged in spiritual warfare with angelic enemies (Eph 6:10-20). Tenth, the Scripture assigns numerous a quo and ad quem statements to Israel (Gen 15:13-16; Jer 25:11; 29:10; Ezek 4:5-7; Dan 9:24-27). These are timing statements with a specific beginning and ending point for each period. One searches the New Testament in vain to find comparable timing statements for the church. Eleventh, Israel had a priesthood with all her priests coming from the tribe of Levi and the line of Aaron. By contrast, the church does not have a priesthood because it is a priesthood (Rev 1:6). The New Testament teaches the priesthood of all believers (1 Pet 2:5, 9). Every Church Age believer is a priest with direct access to God the Father through God the Son.

Twelfth, while Israel will be resurrected at the beginning of the millennial kingdom (Dan 12:2; John 11:23-24; Rev 20:4-5), Church-Age believers receive their resurrected bodies at the point of the rapture (1 Thess 4:13-18; 1 Cor 15:50-58). Thirteenth, Israel's judgment will take place on earth, at the end of the Tribulation period, in the wilderness (Ezek 20:33-44). By contrast, the only judgment the New Testament reveals for the church is the Bema Seat judgment of rewards in heaven following the rapture (Rom 14:10; 1 Cor 3:10-15; 2 Cor 5:10). Fourteenth, although the gates of the New Jerusalem are named after the twelve tribes (Rev 21:12), who were the foundations of Israel, the foundations of the eternal city are named after the twelve apostles (Rev 21:14) who are the foundations of the church (Eph 2:20). Fifteenth, people become members of the commonwealth of Israel through physical birth. By contrast, membership in the church is only attained by spiritual birth (John 3:1-9; Titus 3:5).

Sixteenth, Israel was directly governed by the Mosaic Law (Ps 147:19-20). By contrast, the controlling authority for the church is New Testament revelation. While all Scripture is for the church (2 Tim 3:16; Rom 15:4), only the New Testament's epistolary literature is directly about the church. Seventeenth, the Holy Spirit indwelt and filled Old Testament Jews selectively (Joel 2:28), temporarily (1 Sam 16:14; Ps 51:11), and subsequent to salvation to enable for a special purpose (Exod 31:3). By contrast, the Holy Spirit indwells all Church-Age believers (1 Cor 12:13) permanently (John 14:16) and at the point of salvation (Rom 8:9). Thus, the Spirit's work in and through Israel cannot be used as a pattern to depict the believer's normative experience with the Holy Spirit in the present age (John 7:37-39; 14:16-17; Acts 1:5). Eighteenth, while Christ's farewell address to Israel (Matt 24:15; 20) is recorded in the Olivet Discourse (Matt 24‒25), His farewell address to the church (John 16:12-13) is found in the Upper Room Discourse (John 13‒17). Nineteenth, although Israel is referred to as God's first-born son (Exod 4:22), the church is never given this same designation or title. Twentieth, while Israel's program is revealed in the Old Testament, the church's program was unknown in Old Testament times. Because the church is a New Testament mystery (Eph 3:3-6), or something previously hidden and now unveiled (Rom 16:25-26), Church Age doctrine comes exclusively from the New Testament (Matt 16:18; John 13‒17) rather than the Old Testament. Noting such differences should caution us against taking prophecies and promises that are specifically aimed at Israel and misapplying them to the present dispensation of the Church Age.


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Excellent summation of the differences between the Church and Israel and the fact that the two have different purposes in the plans of God.
1 posted on 01/12/2012 3:09:24 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: HushTX; righttackle44; patriot preacher; FrdmLvr; caww; Buddygirl; bareford101; fishtank; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 01/12/2012 3:14:00 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Thanks GN. Another great article from BibleProphecy. Well laid out and documented.


3 posted on 01/12/2012 3:57:12 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
Respectfully, I see the Biblical prophecies of the kingdom referring at least primarily to a first century event, the establishment of the church, not to an event at or near the Second Coming.

And he said to them, "Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see that the kingdom of God has come with power."
(Mark 9:1)

  1. The words "kingdom"and "church" are often used interchangeably in the Bible, especially in the New Testament (e.g., Matt. 16:18-19; Heb. 12:23,28; Rev. 1:4,6), but not always (e.g., Psalms 103:19; Matt. 8:11; 12:28; 25:34; Luke 13:28-29; II Tim. 4:18).
  2. God has had a kingdom long before the events of Acts chapter 2 (i.e., the establishment of the church) had taken place. In its broadest sense, the "kingdom" is  the rule or government of God both on earth and in heaven at all times and in all of its aspects.  The term is frequently used, however, in the Old Testament and in the gospels to point to something future, when there would be a kingdom in a special sense.
  3. The church (kingdom) is seen in various stages and from various vantage points in the Bible:
    1. The church (kingdom) in the eternal purpose of God: Eph. 3:7-11
    2. The church (kingdom) in prophecy: Daniel 2:44-45; 7:14, 27; Joel 2:28; Isaiah 9:7; etc.
    3. The church (kingdom) in preparation:
      1. "will build" (Matt. 16:18-19)
      2. "at hand" (Matt. 3:2; 4:17; 10:5-7; Mark 1:15; cf. Luke 10:9,11)
      3. The kingdom was to come during the lifetime of those living at the time of Jesus' ministry (Matt. 16:28; Mark 9:1; Luke 9:27).
    4. The church (kingdom) as a present reality:
      1. The coming of the kingdom of God finds its fulfillment in the events associated with the establishment of the church at Jerusalem in Acts chapter 2.
        a) Mark 9:1---"the kingdom of God" will come in the generation of those present "with power" (cf. Matt. 16:28; Luke 9:27)
        b) Luke 24:46-49
              i) "with power" (v.49)
              ii) "beginning from Jerusalem" (v.47)
        c) Acts 1:6-8
              i) "shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you" (v.8)
              ii) "witnesses in Jerusalem..." (v.8)
        d) Acts 2:1-5
              i) the coming of the Holy Spirit (vv.1-4)
              ii) "Jerusalem" (v.5)

      Mark 9:1 "the kingdom of God" "with power"                      
      Luke 24:46-49                                 "with power" "beginning from Jerusalem"           
      Acts 1:6-8                                 "power" "Jerusalem" "Holy Spirit"
      Acts 2:1-5                                        "Jerusalem" "Holy Spirit"

          ii. Acts 11:15---"at the beginning" (referring back to the events at Pentecost in Acts chapter 2)
         iii. the "church" mentioned as a presently existing reality:  Acts 5:11; 8:1,3; 11:22; etc.
         iv. the "kingdom" mentioned as a presently existing reality:  Col. 1:13; Heb. 12:28; etc.

    "Peace and mercy be upon all who walk by this rule, upon the Israel of God."
    (Galatians 6:16)

4 posted on 01/12/2012 4:28:48 PM PST by Engraved-on-His-hands
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands
This is a Dispensational Caucus thread, and I am not going to waste time on preterist garbage that has been discredited so many times I can't believe it still comes up in conversation, but I will say that the Mark 9:1 Scripture you posted refers to the Transfiguration of Christ; it does not mean that a literal kingdom of Christ was established in the first century. Scripture is more than clear that the literal, thousand-year kingdom of Christ will not be established until after the seven-year Tribulation.

Please respect the caucus designation and leave the un-Scriptural preterism and other nonsense to other threads.

5 posted on 01/12/2012 4:43:00 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands; GiovannaNicoletta
Acts 1:6,7. "When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord wilt thou AT THIS TIME restore again the KINGDOM TO ISRAEL? And he said unto them, It is NOT FOR YOU TO KNOW the TIMES or the SEASONS, which the Father has put IN HIS OWN POWER."

Israel was offered the Kingdom when Christ came the first time. They rejected Him. The Kingdom was offered to Israel the second time on the day of Pentecost. "This is that which was spoken of by the prophet Joel." Acts 2:16. The Nation of Israel rejected Him again.

They rejected Stephen's message to them. And murdered him. He looks up to heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus STANDING on the right hand of God. THis is important because standing means judgement and wrath is about to fall. Christ was seated on the right hand of God. And Stephen sees Him standing. Strike three for Israel. As a Nation she is blinded and set aside. She becomes Lo Ammi,(not my people). But there remains NUMEROUS prophecies not yet fulfilled at that time.

Then Paul is saved in Acts 9. The mystery hid in God is revealed to him and the Church the Body of Christ is formed. Prophecies to the Nation Israel are NOT fulfilled during this time. The dispensation of the grace of God concerns a body of believers, where there is neither Jew nor Gentile. And that is what Romans through Philemon is all about.

Which leaves the rest of prophecy concerning the Nation Israel yet to be fulfilled. Which is what the tribulation is all about. Hebrews through Revelation. The Biblical prophecies of the kingdom are primarily fulfilled during this time. And will culminate in the 2nd coming of Christ to set up this kingdom.

6 posted on 01/12/2012 4:47:50 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Ping for later reading.


8 posted on 01/12/2012 5:10:46 PM PST by wmfights (PERRY 2012)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Thanks for the ping :)
God is not done with Israel


9 posted on 01/12/2012 5:15:10 PM PST by Lera
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To: slumber1; Religion Moderator

Get off this caucus thread .


10 posted on 01/12/2012 5:17:45 PM PST by Lera
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To: slumber1

This Religion Forum thread is labeled “Dispensational Caucus” meaning if you are not currently, actively dispensationalist then do not post on this thread.


12 posted on 01/12/2012 8:35:48 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Lucas McCain

This Religion Forum thread is labeled “Dispensational Caucus” meaning if you are not currently, actively dispensationalist then do not post on this thread.


13 posted on 01/12/2012 8:37:04 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: GiovannaNicoletta; HushTX; righttackle44; patriot preacher; FrdmLvr; caww; Buddygirl; ...
Great read, but the one disagreement I have is the idea that the Holy Spirit indwells Jews of the OT. I think Joel 2:28 refers to Pentecost. I believe a more apt description of the Holy Spirit's role in the OT is coming upon those He seeks to do something, not in them.
14 posted on 01/13/2012 9:30:08 AM PST by wmfights (PERRY 2012)
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I agree wmfights. Under the Old Covenant, in the Old Testament, the concept of the “indwelling” of the Holy Spirit does not appear with regard to Israel. Rather, the constant reference to God’s presence with Jews is that the Holy Spirit or “the Spirit of God came upon...” Difference dispensation, difference covenant, different economy, different order.....


15 posted on 01/13/2012 10:36:57 AM PST by patriot preacher
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...if you are not currently, actively dispensationalist then do not post on this thread.

O.K. as a one with a reformed covenantal hermeneutic who presupposes continuity, and conservation of the of OT based on the unchanging character of God manifest thorough His progressive revelation, who also affirms that there is only one elect people of God; redeemed by the grace of Christ received by faith alone I will not post on this thread.

16 posted on 01/13/2012 10:56:44 AM PST by DaveyB (Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. -John Adams)
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To: smvoice

Neat smvoice! Is Luke a sort of bridge gospel for gentiles? I assume Luke was associated with Paul?


17 posted on 01/13/2012 11:06:21 AM PST by marbren (I do not know but, Thank God, God knows)
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To: DaveyB

Maybe start your own caucus?


18 posted on 01/13/2012 11:09:25 AM PST by marbren (I do not know but, Thank God, God knows)
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To: DaveyB

The rapture might be today! :)


19 posted on 01/13/2012 11:10:25 AM PST by marbren (I do not know but, Thank God, God knows)
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To: smvoice
The OP says this says the church is the bride of Christ due to the following verses. I would love your analysis. I love learning new pearls of wisdom

How do we know you are not in fact the small voice BTW? :)

Ephesians 5:22-33 New International Version (NIV) 22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. 25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing[a] her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— 30 for we are members of his body. 31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”[b] 32 This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

20 posted on 01/13/2012 11:17:47 AM PST by marbren (I do not know but, Thank God, God knows)
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