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To: Al Hitan; ConservativeMind

Would you accept that early patristic fathers employed the idea or principle? Here's a brief essay touching upon much of the research which has been done concerning the issue, including some clear quotes from the early patristric ones themselves supporting scripture as the measure to which doctrine must be examined and compared against. Otherwise, how could these early ones ever defeated various heresies, like the Gnostics in particular, whom claimed that some of which they had (and others did not) they received directly from Apostles themselves. The Gnostics were put down using scripture which all the other churches had more or less uniformly. From the [below] link;

Sola Scriptura and the Early Church

There is more such as that available. The argument against sola scripture, is one promoting sola ecclesia to the extent that such ecclesia can see or find doctrines not found at all among the earliest church writers, or found in disagreement among them if found at all, nor found solid basis for in the scriptures, and in fact found quite contrary to scripture (when it applies to controversial matters, or else there would be no controversy) unless one focuses merely upon what the ecclesia pusher wishes the discussion to be constrained to --- leaving out all the rest of the Old Covenant and New Testament which may refute the claim.

It is no wonder that Catholics have been programmed to hate sola scriptura, for it is the Word itself which condemns some (but not all!) portions of the ecclesia.

Here's a bit different take, one not so one sided, as it speaks in a hopeful manner;

G.C. Berkouwer

First portion;

Last portion;


1,604 posted on 01/18/2012 2:14:12 AM PST by BlueDragon (on'a $10 horse an' a $40 saddle I'm going up the trail with them longhorn cattle c'm uh ty-yi-yipy-)
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To: BlueDragon; ConservativeMind
Would you accept that early patristic fathers employed the idea or principle?

I'm being held to the standard that it has to be shown from Scripture. Is it too much to bear that the same standard be applied to Sola Scriptura?

1,608 posted on 01/18/2012 3:03:06 AM PST by Al Hitan (Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.)
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