Posted on 01/11/2012 7:34:56 PM PST by RnMomof7
Befroe we move on you need to admit your error.
And my comment proved your assertion false. I went on to show that Scripture FORBIDS necromancy, or communication with the dead.
Those who seek to communicate with those who have died receive terrible punishment. But you go ahead and speak with those who’ve died. Good luck with that.
Again, Scripture CLEARLY forbids “praying” to anyone who has died, be they a saint or a sinner.
I think CB’s position is reduced to it doesn’t matter whether Elizabeth, or Matthew, Mark, Luke and John said Mary is Jesus’ mother. Only the red letter scripture counts.
It’s called the hypostatic union.
Yes - Jesus’ divine nature existed before he took on his human nature. His human nature was derived from Mary - that is why she is the Mother of God in a very special sense, as well as the literal sense.
If Mary hadn’t said yes in her fiat, Jesus would not have been able to assume a human nature. Her role is key and Catholics Love her for it because she chose it - it was her free will, to undo Eve’s free will yes to Satan that screwed us up.
To begin the process of redemption by undoing exactly what was done wrong in a perfect parallel is awesome and could only have been accomplished by the design of Our Father in heaven who is Justice itself.
No written word before 400 years after you say! Wonder what Peter would say to that?
2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
If nothing was considered the “written word” prior to “400 years after Paul was dead”? Did Paul then write them after he was dead? Or are you saying that the CC wrote stuff and claimed it was the apostles.
Yeah two problems with this thought:
1) Luke was not an Apostle, for that matter niether was Matthew.
2) Luke 2:19And Mary kept all these things, reflecting on them in her heart.
So half of the Gospels were not written by Apostles and one of the accounts was based on the reflections of a woman you juast shrug off.
see post 406.
When a poster absolves himself of making sensical arguments you know he's run out of arguments.
I have to admit it would be a nice tactic, if it worked: "Oh yeah, well your argument only makes sense because you're carnal."
Gotta love it...
It’s easy. It’s all tied together. Catholics have made “images made like to corruptible man” of Mary and Jesus and bow down before them.
Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man
Teacher, master, or any of the other translations of Lord. Elohim is a judge and one of the designations of God’s actions but was also used for earthly judges.
Actually you are wrong. The Bible forbids the calling up of the dead in order that they may foretell your future. That is what Necromancy means. It and all other forms of fortune telling are forbidden in Scripture. Asking those who are heaven to pray to us to the Triune God is not the same thing at all. Since we do know that the Saints are always praying before the throne of heaven. They even plead the case of those being martyred for the faith.
No error on my part so I will understand that you will not be pinging me in the future.
I feel sorry for your ignorance. Barnabas also wrote epistlesas as did several other people, using your (complete and total lack of) logic these also qualify as scriptures, since they were writen and used up until the canon was ordered. You really want to make that contention?
Are you inferring that the apostles didn’t write anything other then the “red letters”? I do believe that they indeed wrote all of the words in Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John.
They did indeed, including the parts that say Mary is Jesus’s mother. Here your argument fails.
“15 [w]He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For [x]by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17 He [y]is before all things, and in Him all things [z]hold together. 18 He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. 19 For [aa]it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the [ab]fullness to dwell in Him, 20 and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in [ac]heaven”
Letter of Saint Paul to the Colossians.
Scripture forbids necromancy. Necromancy is a form of sorcery used to summon spirits from the underworld (Sheol) to ask them to reveal the future for the sorcerer’s benefit - usually for a fee. That is why it is forbidden for a Christian to go to a fortuneteller. These spirits are usually demons, or a soul in hell who is doing the will of demons. Souls in hell are at the complete bidding of the evil ones, they have lost their free will.
Prayer to the saints has nothing to do with necromancy.
The saints are not dead, I repeat, the saints are not dead!
see Mark 12:26-27. The saints in heaven are alive and we can talk to them and they can intercede for us because they are alive in Christ. see Rev 6: 9-11
You have hopelessly confused yourself.
JHVH made flesh is Yeshua (AKA Jesus).
Adding your pagan psuedo-godess under the guise of Mary has led you away from knowing the savior.
God has no mother.
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