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To: colorcountry; All; Saundra Duffy
Here's what I have a problem with. Yesterday, www.mormonvoices.org, the new site touted by one of our own members as an LDS "effort to monitor news reports in search of errors and misrepresentation" posted this:

"There is no Mormon doctrine that says we will become “gods of our own planets.” A search of LDS.org, which includes all of the church lesson manuals, all talks given in church conferences, and all magazines published by the LDS church shows that there are no instances—zero—where it is taught that we will be “gods of our own planets.”

This is simply the same lie that Richard Bushman, the Visiting Professor in Mormon Studies at Claremont Graduate University, and Kent P. Jackson, Associate Dean of Religion at Brigham Young University, told Maureen Dowd in October 2011. As I noted, there are eighteen places where it either appears in current Church Educational System educational guides (allon the www.lds.org site) for children four through eleven, seminary (ages fourteen to eighteen), college age, celestial marriage guides; Ensign magazine (on the www.lds.org site); a Doctrinal Exposition by the First Presidency [Joseph F. Smith, Anthon H. Lund, Charles W. Penrose] and the Twelve (on the www.lds.og website); the current seminary.lds.org quotes for high schoolers; the current edition of LDS Gospel Principles (the 'Sunday School' book for adult converts, which was also the Sunday School book for all adult classes, 2009-2011); prophet Spencer Kimball's speech "Receive Truth", printed on the www.lds.org website . . . and multiple other sources on the www.lds.org website.

And I have cites to books written by LDS prophets, or quotes from LDS apostles in LDS magazines . . . and on and on.

I don't have access to all of the LDS seminary and institute materials because I'm a gentile and you must have a LDS password to access the student learning sites and the teacher and educator guide sites.

But it's not a mis-statement - it's a lie to say "that there are no instances—zero—where it is taught that we will be “gods of our own planets.”

Unless you consider these types of quotes to be wholly unrelated:

"Each one of you has it within the realm of his possibility to develop a kingdom over which you will preside as its king and god. You will need to develop yourself and grow in ability and power and worthiness, to govern such a world with all of its people."

Or:

…these children are now at play, making mud worlds, the time will come when some of these boys, through their faithfulness to the gospel, will progress and develop in knowledge, intelligence and power, in future eternities, until they shall be able to go out into space where there is unorganized matter and call together the necessary elements, and through their knowledge of and control over the laws and powers of nature, to organize matter into worlds on which their posterity may dwell, and over which they shall rule as gods.’

Frankly, many of the quotes are more specific than those.

I won't argue whether the theology is valid; that's a matter of religion. But just don't create a website that's supposed to tell the truth and then engage in blatant lies. Because mormonvoices.org knows the media is not going to research this and they can lie with impunity. Which, apparently, is what they do. How am I supposed to respect the allegedly "well-documented answers" of mormonvoices.org when this is the kind of material the site prints?

67 posted on 01/06/2012 4:54:26 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Scoutmaster
I meant to say "at least eighteen places" where the teaching appears on the www.lds.org website. My guess is that if I combed the place I'd come up with nearly 100.
69 posted on 01/06/2012 5:00:46 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Scoutmaster
This is simply the same lie that Richard Bushman, the Visiting Professor in Mormon Studies at Claremont Graduate University, and Kent P. Jackson, Associate Dean of Religion at Brigham Young University, told Maureen Dowd in October 2011.
94 posted on 01/06/2012 7:52:48 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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