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To: Colofornian
The history of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints began in the Sacred Grove when fourteen-year-old Joseph Smith prayed to know which church was true.

Speaking historically, and not theologically, that depends on which of the accounts of the First Vision you accept. That age and purpose are not in the first version of the First Vision as written by Joseph Smith, Jr.. That is what appears in the fourth version, chronologically, which was dictated in 1838, six years after the first version was handwritten by Smith in 1832. Not all of the versions, including the version written in Joseph Smith, Jr.'s hand, place him at fourteen. And saying there is more than one version of the First Vision doesn't make me 'anti-Mormon.' On its official website, the LDS Church states:

'On at least four different occasions, Joseph Smith either wrote or dictated to scribes accounts of his sacred experience of 1820. Possibly he penned or dictated other histories of the First Vision; if so, they have not been located. The four surviving recitals of this theophany were prepared or rendered through different scribes, at different times, from a different perspective, for different purposes and to different audiences. It is not surprising, therefore, that each of them emphasizes different aspects of his experience.

That is how the LDS Church reconciles the differences among the different versions of the First Vision. See also the official LDS source here. Other sources simply view them as inconsistent and irreconcilable versions of the First Vision.

In Joseph's Smith's first, handwritten account, he was sixteen. This is not accepted by the LDS Church as the official version.

Among the versions, the purpose for Smith's visit to the woods differs, the number of spiritual parties who visits him differ, whether it was a "visitation of angels," as first written, two personages, or one. The fourth version has been accepted as the official version by the LDS Church. That's where the age of fourteen, and going to pray regarding which church is true, comes from.

This is not a theological comment, but a historical one. Please consult the LDS website and historical sources for discussions regarding the different versions of the First Vision. I respect the rights of FR members to believe as they choose; I do not, however respect the rights of all to practice their religious beliefs (for example, I would draw the line at human sacrifice).

13 posted on 12/23/2011 9:41:54 AM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Scoutmaster
I apologize. I meant to link articles on the various First Vision accounts from Dialogue: A journal of Mormon Thought and from Brigham Young University Studies
17 posted on 12/23/2011 9:45:53 AM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Scoutmaster
Speaking historically, and not theologically, that depends on which of the accounts of the First Vision you accept.

Why ALL of them; of course!!

--MormonDude(Just like the Gospels!)

40 posted on 12/23/2011 1:43:45 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Scoutmaster
Version Number
When Published
Brief Description
Age/Year Evil Power Pillar of
Light or Fire
Number of
Personages
Father Son Question:
Join What
Sect
Remarks
Official Version,
 Mormon scripture,
 Pearl of Great Price
p. 47, 48, 1974 Ed.
Age 14

1820

Yes Yes

Light

2 Yes Yes Join None Lucy, Hyrum, Samuel, Sopronia
Join Presbyterian Church 1820
Paper by Joseph Smith,
Times and Seasons
March, April 1842
Same as item 1 above
Letter from Joseph Smith
to John Wentworth,
 editor Chicago Democrat
1841 account
Published March 1,1842
None given No No 2 ? ? No question,
told all
incorrect
Joseph Smith's First Vision
by Milton V. Backman Jr.
Bookcraft, Appendix D.
Ensign, Jan.1985, p. 16
Both looked the Same
They spoke
Dictated by Joseph Smith,
in hand of
 James Mulholland, 1838
Same as item 1 above, first known account of the official version.
Ensign,
 Jan. 1985 p. 14
Joseph Smith's diary of 1835, Recorded by
 Warren Cowdery
 Nov. 9, 1835, conversation of Joseph Smith with Joshua
Joseph, about 14 No
Tongue seemed swollen; heard someone; at first couldn't pray
Yes

Fire

One, and then another like unto the first ? ? No question, told sins are forgiven, Jesus Christ is the Son of God
Joseph Smith's First Vision
 by Milton V. Backman Jr. Bookcraft, Appendix B
Second spoke.
Saw many angels
Messenger & Advocate
by Oliver Cowdery supervised by
 Joseph Smith
 Feb. 1835
 p. 77-79;
 Also see Dec. 1834 p. 43
Joseph 17

1823

No Yes 1
No No No question told sin are forgiven Note on pg. 78 that the revival was in 1823 (NOT 1820) so this must be the First Vision.
Messenger from God
Dictated by Joseph Smith
 to F. G. Williams Summer to Nov. 1832
Joseph 14 or 16 No Yes 1 No Yes No question, told "None doeth good", sins forgiven
Joseph Smith's First Vision
 by Milton V. Backman Jr. Bookcraft, Appendix A
Saw Lord (Jesus) he "spoke"
Written by Joseph Smith, 1832 diary Joseph 15 No Yes 1 No Yes No question, told sins forgiven all do no good
Ensign,
 Dec. 1984 pgs. 24-26
 Jan. 1985 pg. 11
Saw the Lord Jesus Christ (said He was crucified)
Early Church leaders
 B. Young,
 G. A. Smith,
 J. Taylor
Joseph 15 No No 1 No No Join None Journal of Discourses, 2:171; 18:239; 13:77,78; 20:167; 12:333,334
Saw an angel, and asked the angel


41 posted on 12/23/2011 1:44:17 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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