yes, the Mark or the drachma, like this
Nero was a chubby!
Posted on 12/22/2011 1:01:18 PM PST by Cronos
If Revelation has already happened then where is Christ? Christ returns at the end of revelation so where is he if revelation has already happened?
Patlin: with those that claim Torah is connected to salvation. It is NOT.
huh? who said anything about whether it is connected to salvation or not -- as your post finally admitted "Torah does require circumcision for blessing" -- yet Paul rejected physical circumcision for anything, so how can one then say Paul were Jewish who followed Messiah in the keeping and teaching of Torah -- - he quite clearly did NOT keep the teachings of the Torah on this matter
This is the difference between Judaism and Christianity -- as that same webiste (www.beingjewish.com) says --Christianity maintains that all men are doomed to sin, and everyone will go to everlasting hell unless they accept jesus as their savior.
Judaism has always held that we do not need that sort of salvation, for we are not doomed or damned at birth. We are not doomed or fated to sin
So we have free will, and that is what Judaism has always believed, because that is what the Torah teaches. The Torah does not teach -- or even mention -- that we are "born in sin," or that we are fated to sin. Just the opposite. We have the ability to choose.
now of course Christians and Jews disagree on this point -- but it is clear that one cannot accept the Torah without accepting this point that salvation is for all -- correct, patlin, jjotto?
...And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the MARK, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
The verse says nothing about a title. The verse states that the number will be based on the Antichrist's name, not his title.
Therefore, we have to take the title "Caesar" out of the equation, and when we do, we see that Nero could not have been Antichrist.
Therefore, we know that, since no man has met the Biblical requirements for Antichrist in the history of the world, he is a dictator who is yet to appear.
I wish someone could show me where the world is getting better!! That's the funniest thing I've come across in quite some time!
At any rate, preterism has been discredited and proven to be false so many times the fact that we are still giving it any credence and discussing it as if it has any shred of truth shows that there are many people who fear that the Bible is actually true and that God may mean what He says and will carry out what He says He will do.
Preterism is a failed, discredited, joke. It's on the same level as the Flat Earth Society.
on the contrary, the world is living healthier, more people are literate, more people are out of poverty, more people are embracing the gospel than ever before. Things are getting better
Even if you take BB's entire statement sin is rampant, and the polarization between good and evil continue. -- sin was always rampant, but people in general are not more sinful than they were before -- don't look at it only from the US perspective -- more people in Africa, Asia are becoming Christian and rejecting sin. In fact sin is decreasing in that respect
Even in terms of murders the number of murders nowadays in the US in 2010 is far less % wise than the number of murders in say 1910 or 1810.
morals in the US may have fallen, but in Africa and Asia they are taking up Christian values to such an extent that they now send missionaries to the Western world
Look at it from the world-wide view and there is improvement in the Gospel message and in the living standards of people
” Noone can obtain “perfection” as man defines it, because noone can pin it down. What is acceptable in one place is an abomination in another. The goalpost can be raised or relocated, or a reward for “proper” behavior withdrawn or given to another. And people act as if it is Hashem who makes impossible demands.” thank you for that
We have understood that at this time Cerinthus, the author of another heresy, made his appearance. Caius, whose words we quoted above, in the Disputation which is ascribed to him, writes as follows concerning this man:From NewAdvent -
But Cerinthus also, by means of revelations which he pretends were written by a great apostle, brings before us marvelous things which he falsely claims were shown him by angels; and he says that after the resurrection the kingdom of Christ will be set up on earth, and that the flesh dwelling in Jerusalem will again be subject to desires and pleasures. And being an enemy of the Scriptures of God, he asserts, with the purpose of deceiving men, that there is to be a period of a thousand years for marriage festivals.
And Dionysius, who was bishop of the parish of Alexandria in our day, in the second book of his work On the Promises, where he says some things concerning the Apocalypse of John which he draws from tradition, mentions this same man in the following words:
But (they say that) Cerinthus, who founded the sect which was called, after him, the Cerinthian, desiring reputable authority for his fiction, prefixed the name. For the doctrine which he taught was this: that the kingdom of Christ will be an earthly one.
And as he was himself devoted to the pleasures of the body and altogether sensual in his nature, he dreamed that that kingdom would consist in those things which he desired, namely, in the delights of the belly and of sexual passion, that is to say, in eating and drinking and marrying, and in festivals and sacrifices and the slaying of victims, under the guise of which he thought he could indulge his appetites with a better grace.
These are the words of Dionysius. But Irenæus, in the first book of his work Against Heresies, gives some more abominable false doctrines of the same man, and in the third book relates a story which deserves to be recorded. He says, on the authority of Polycarp, that the apostle John once entered a bath to bathe; but, learning that Cerinthus was within, he sprang from the place and rushed out of the door, for he could not bear to remain under the same roof with him. And he advised those that were with him to do the same, saying, Let us flee, lest the bath fall; for Cerinthus, the enemy of the truth, is within.
During the fourth and fifth centuries the tendency to exclude the Apocalypse from the list of sacred books continued to increase in the Syro-Palestinian churches. Eusebius expresses no definite opinion. He contents himself with the statement: "The Apocalypse is by some accepted among the canonical books but by others rejected"
St. Cyril of Jerusalem does not name it among the canonical books (Catechesis IV.33-36); nor does it occur on the list of the Synod of Laodicea, or on that of Gregory of Nazianzus. Perhaps the most telling argument against the apostolic authorship of the book is its omission from the Peshito, the Syrian Vulgate.
yes, the Mark or the drachma, like this
Nero was a chubby!
That's a joy this Christ-rejecting world has to look forward to.
Giovanna -- "Caesar" in the case of Nero was NOT a Title, it was his name.
That is why I point out we need to study history -- when a member of the Julii-Claudi donned the purple he adopted the name of his illustrious predecessor, Caesar
Nero's name WAS Nero Caesar...
Giovanna -- "Caesar" in the case of Nero was NOT a Title, it was his name.
That is why I point out we need to study history -- when a member of the Julii-Claudi donned the purple he adopted the name of his illustrious predecessor, Caesar
Nero's name WAS Nero Caesar...
And as the article points out
The numerical values of the Hebrew letters in Neron Kesar (Nero Caesar) are:
Nero Caesar fits the gematria code number "666." Using this code, his name would be rendered as "NRWN QSR." (NRWN QSR). The number values are:
N = 50
R = 200
W = 6
N = 50
Q = 100
S = 60
R = 200
which, when added together, equals 666. The fact that Nero fits the description of the "beast" is well documented. According to Suetonius, he murdered his parents, wife, brother, aunt, and many others close to him and of high station in Rome. He was a torturer, a homosexual rapist, and a sodomite. He even married two young boys and paraded them around as his wives. One of the boys, whose name was Sporus, was castrated by Nero. He was truly bestial in his character, depravity, and actions. He devised a kind of game: covered with the skin of some wild animal, he was let loose from a cage and attacked the private parts of men and women, who were bound at stakes. He also initiated the war against the Jews which led to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD..
‘Salvation’ doesn’t mean the same thing to Christians as it does to Jews.
Non-Jews are bidden to observe the ‘Sheva Mitzvot B’nei Noach’ (the Seven Mitzvahs of the Children of Noah), based on Deut. 17:8 and many other Scriptures and Jewish teachings.
http://www.moshiach.com/e-book-noahide-how-to/
Sure -- you could have said that in the years 300 - 430 AD in the Western Empire and indeed in the Eastern Empire until 680. But BereanBrain's statement was "Last time I checked, the world is NOT getting better" -- and that is incorrect -- people are eating better, living longer, living lives out of poverty and illiteracy and, EVEN spiritually speaking -- stop looking at it from the US-centric point of view and see how the Gospel is spreading in Africa and Asia.
Hardly -- which countries have that ability? the US, UK, France, Russia, India, Pakistan, China and Israel --> totally about 3.5 billion people. Out of that, for 2.5 billion people (India and China), the Gospel is spreading, so no, it's not in dire straits
Sorry, Chronos, not buying. Not only does the Bible exclude a title from being considered as part of the numerical equation of the name of the man who will be Antichrist, but Nero did not meet any other requirement of Scripture for being Antichrist.
The one question I always ask is, who in the history of the world has fulfilled the following:
And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name. (Revelation 13:16, 17)
There has never been a time in the history of the world where the technology existed for one man to not only know if a person had his mark, but to prevent that person from buying and selling if he did not have the mark. And this knowledge would be global, not just the known world as it existed in 70AD.
There has been no one who has met all the Biblical requirements for the Antichrist. That individual will make his appearance some time in the future.
The god of this world will soon have some folks saying "peace and safety" but we are not,or should not,be ignorant of him or his deceits. -- who says "peace and safety" means that the world is getting better? I pointed out how spiritually and materially the vast majority of people in the world are having their lot improved, not decayed. Peace and safety are nice, but not the most important stuff to have for spiritual growth
If one studies history, or even reads it, one will see that the only title that the Julii-Claudii took was princeps. Yes, at times they had consulships, praetorsthips, imperator status, etc. etc. but they retained the title princep which was a masterful way of Octavian's to retain power.
errr. Giovanna, do read up on history, it WAS part of the name -- Gaius Octavius Thurinus was adopted by Julius Caesar and took the name "Gaius Julius Caesar" -- he got the title Augustus, but his name was Caesar..
His successor was born "Tiberius Claudius Nero" but was adopted by Augustus and named "Tiberius Julius Caesar"
Tiberius adopted Caligula -- and Caligula wasn't even his name, but a nickname he got ("little boots") when his father Germanicus was campaigning and Caligula was dressed as a little legionnary to beef upmorale, but Caligula's name was " Gaius Julius Caesar Germanicus" -- his father had been adopted by Tiberius
Caligula's successor was his uncle Claudius whose name was "Tiberius Claudius Nero Germanicus" until adoption when it was "Tiberius Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus"
Claudius then adopted Nero who was born "Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus" and when adopted got the name "Nero Claudius Caesar Drusus"
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it was only during the reforms of Diocletian in 296 AD that Caesar became a title
Please do read some history
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