Posted on 12/22/2011 1:01:18 PM PST by Cronos
“and that was the city destroyed by the great army standing against the people of God (the Jews).”
And then Jesus appeared in the air with his army of saints and angels, and destroyed 1/3 of that army with the sword that proceeded from his mouth, right?
What part of Messiah saying that his doctrine is not his but the doctrine of the One that sent him? What part of there was no other instruction book than Torah to read and teach from don't you understand? What part of YHVH saying He never changes is so hard to understand? Are traditions of man so important that they now supersede the Word of YHVH?
go back and follow the conversation, it’s in there.
this is after, as we have read in Dan 12:7, Rev 11:17-18 how God's rage against those who did not follow His old covenant is wrought.
the entire book of revelation talks of the end of Jerusalem -- refer to NoDRdee's post
Revelation chapter 11. The chapter begins with John being told to measure the temple (v. 1) and this temple is in “”the holy city”” (v.2). These are clear references to Jerusalem. This also helps in dating the book before the destruction of AD 70, when the temple was destroyed. Imagine John being told to measure something which his 1st century readers all understood was no longer in existence!Christ is in heaven NOW, ruling NOW.
,bR>Chapter 11 continues with the story of the two witnesses of God, and their deaths at the hand of the beast, after which John records, “”And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which is mystically called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified”” (v. 8). First, in both Deuteronomy (32:28-33) and in Isaiah (1:10), God refers to the Jewish people, and Jerusalem in particular, as Sodom, and Ezekiel 23 links Israel to her harlotries in Egypt. So, there is precedent for John’s use of these names to describe what had once been the city of God. But if there is any doubt where this evil takes place, John clears it up with his reference to the city “”where also their Lord was crucified.”” Jesus was not crucified in Rome, or in Berlin, or in Moscow, or in Washington, D.C. Our Lord was crucified in Jerusalem, and this is the city God has prepared for destruction in the book of Revelation
The carnal mind does not master over sin. It is YHVH working through the circumcised heart who is the Master.
Dt 10:16 Therefore circumcise the foreskin of your heart, and be stiff-necked no longer
Dt 30:6 And the LORD your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live
Jer 4:4 Circumcise yourselves to the LORD, And take away the foreskins of your hearts
Circumcision of the heart is not a new 1st century doctrine, it the doctrine of “OLD” that still stands to this day and never changes as YHVH changes “NOT”. He gave us the perfect Torah of Liberty and only a circumcised heart is able to overcome sin through the work of YHVH that extends from the heart. In Yah’s eyes, there are no Jews or gentiles, there is only the children of YHVH and the children of hasatan. His house rules or those of hasatan. Take your pick because YHVH doesn't force himself on anyone, he waits for them to come to Him.
Also I take notice the doctrine of Christendom that teaches all children are born sinful. The carnal mind is sinful but the heart is not born that way. That is why Messiah said in Mt 19:14 But Jesus said, “Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of heaven.”
We lost an infant in 1987 to SIDS, so what the doctrine of Christendom says is that infant daughter who had no discernment as to right and wrong died a sinner. How cruel and how unbiblical. It is not infants and young children who need to be baptized from sin, it is as the bible teaches, those whose carnal minds are learned to know the difference and to understand what it means to repent who are to be cleansed.
Now do read the Bible -- Galatians 5:2-3 2Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
and 1 Cor 7:18 18Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.
Please do read the Bible and realise that your statement Paul were Jewish who followed Messiah in the keeping and teaching of Torah is wrong -- he on the matter of circumcision taught against the Torah.
So do you not read or teach from any of the New Testament books? Are Galatians and Colossians not worthwhile to you?
correct, the year of the 4 emperors :0
you want one that says you have to circumcise your sons and also bans eating pork and lobster?
ABSOLUTELY! I study the 1st century writings along with the Torah and the Prophets every week. They are inseparable in the eyes of YHVH. In His eye they are but one book, Genesis to Revelation, no new, no old, all current and of great relevance. Matthew to Revelation is the testimony of Messiah and Genesis to Malachi contains the doctrine and the prophesy of a coming Messiah that would redeem the house of Israel and graft the 2 broken branches back into the one “Tree of Life”, the “One House of YHVH”.
Messiah told us that “The testimony of Messiah is the Spirit of prophesy”. Well, if one wants to really know him and understand his words then one must look to where that prophesy/witness/testimony began and then start from there, not in the back of the book. The prophesy/witness/testimony begins in Genesis 1:1 with the Alef-Tav(Alpha-Omega) and continues throughout. The only problem is that the Alef-Tav was never translated so we would know where Messiah appears as the spoken and written “Word” in Torah and the Prophets. I also find it interesting that so much of what is said int he 1st century writings is nothing but quotes from the Torah and Prophets. Sure there are obvious places where Messiah and the apostles tell us who they are quoting from, but there are too numerous to mention places where that fact has been kept concealed. That is concealed to ones who do not study the way YHVH instructs us to study.
This week's 1 century study brings us to the book of Matthew where once again, the hidden/untranslated Alef-Tav appears a a messenger of YHVH in the Torah portion of the study. As I said, the sections of the bible are inseparable and they are but one complete book and if one wishes to understand the later part of the book and who the players are, then one must begin “in the beginning” where it all began while also studying from HIS perspective and HIS language. Zeph 3:9 "For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the YHVH, to serve him with one consent."
John 11:49 And one of them, Caiaphas, being high priest that year, said to them, “You know nothing at all, 50 nor do you consider that it is expedient for us that one man should die for the people, and not that the whole nation should perish.” 51 Now this he did not say on his own authority; but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation(Judah), 52 and not for that nation only, but also that He would gather together in one the children of God who were scattered abroad
James(Jacob) 1:1 James, a bondservant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ,To the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad: Greetings
Eph 2:11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles(”goy”) in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— 12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens(”ger”= estranged) from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers(”goy”) from the covenants of promise ... 19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers(”goy”) and foreigners(”goy”), but fellow citizens(”ger”) with the saints and members of the household of God
Mt 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’
Mt 15:24 But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
John 7:35 Then the Jews said among themselves, “Where does He intend to go that we shall not find Him? Does He intend to go to the Dispersion among the Greeks and teach the Greeks?
1 Peter:1 To the “pilgrims of the Dispersion”(”ger”) in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2 elect(”bachiyr”=chosen like Moses) according to the foreknowledge of God the Father
If that dotrine teaches that those things are for blessing and not attached to salvation, then yes because then that doctrine is in line and leads one down the straight path to the house of YHVH
Correction ... ON THE CONTRAIRE, WE DO READ FROM THE 1ST CENTURY WRITINGS!
NO passage says that those things are attached to salvation so you might as well give up the work of hasatan by trying to trip me up in saying so because it is not going to happen. Also, please disregard my previous post, I read the wrong line and thought I was responding to someone else.
David's heart was perfect in the eye's of God, because David pursued righteousness with all of his heart. He walked with God. David was not exactly perfect from man's perspective, though, because of some serious missteps. I mean, look at this particular "outrage":
2 Sam 6.16 And as the ark of the LORD came into the city of David, Michal Saul's daughter looked through a window, and saw king David leaping and dancing before the LORD; and she despised him in her heart.
Thank you, I did misunderstand.
Shalom
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