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To: 7MMmag; Bobsvainbabblings; Salvation
If I read their "about" statement? Been there, done that.

Yes, then you would have read that "CatholicCulture.org is run by a non-profit (501 c 3) corporation, Trinity Communications. The board and officers of Trinity Communications are Catholic laymen"

They do not purport to be the source of record that your post attempts to put them as -- what they have stated is their point of view or opinion.

For your post to use them as a source of record is incorrect.

Fr. Joe also puts forth his point of view.

I've not read the official statement and neither have you -- to quote from others, is as valid as quoting from CBS about say Cain or Palin -- it's better to get the facts from the source. in the absence of that, everything else is speculation

97 posted on 12/15/2011 1:09:38 AM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca and Medina now..)
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To: Cronos; Salvation
They do not purport to be the source of record that your post attempts to put them as -- what they have stated is their point of view or opinion.

"For your post to use them as a source of record is incorrect."

I showed the link to the source I was directly quoting, copying and extracting directly from, then the source which they had linked to.

In no fashion did I claim that they were "the source of record". If that was your impression, then the error was not mine, but in your own "mind reading".

In other places, can be found info mentioning that the story and the interview, came out through "Fide", which I found several mentions of but links provided at those sources, going to the original "Fide" article were broken.

I came across mention of the story being carried by Zenit (Z-net, as some put it) and was reportedly also carried by EWTN. Sorry, I didn't see the show...can't provide first hand witness.

There were many threads concerning the issue, here on FR too. LOTS OF NOISE. Nothing like the "silence" you tried to offer as explanation -- but which I see it appears you have abandoned as argument, other than to continue claiming there is silence in the Islamic world concerning it. I showed you there was some 'noise' there...enough to kill a claim of "silence" as part of your thesis of "it didn't happen" or it was some other book, or whatever blah, blah, blah empty wind of apologetic suits.

In the world of bibliography, there is enough evidence that if this was concerning a letter written by say, a 2nd century theologian to another, but the modern world lacked an extant copy, having only quotes and discussion following pertaining to the original letter, that would be seen to be quite strong evidence that that 2nd Century theologian's letter did actually exist at some point.

Perhaps you yourself could inquire of EWTN and Zenit, or some other source you may find authoritative. In fact, it may be incumbent upon you to do so, at this point?

I'm only able to quote those whose quotes reportedly came from them. It's sufficient enough for me. Since it is not for you, then unless you dig deeper, you are left with impugning CatholicCulture.Org as a source. Write them a letter. Tell them they have committed calumny against a pope.
That (the bolded portion) was the first line of this "vanity" thread.

You really are twisting things here when you say,

The interview transcript was presented as a transcript (or perhaps a portion) of questions and answers.
It was not an "opinion" piece.

You say,

What you, and Salvation are engaging in, is groundless speculation. What basis is there for the rationalizing and excuse making, but for folks like yourselves trying to desperately to do anything but face the facts?

And a sane point of view it is. It's clear enough that he accepted the story as it was reported, and that he was seeking to soothe those whom were troubled by the rash of published discussion and opinions concerning the instance.

I included a reference to his contribution both as counter to nonsensical claim(s) of "silence", and as a salve.

Pretty much your entire opposition to what I've shown you here, is ad hominem attack of sources, including myself.

Weak, baby, weak.

When you have something factual, something other than cheap shot attempts at "shoot the messengers=shoot down the message" argument, bring it.

98 posted on 12/15/2011 12:53:58 PM PST by 7MMmag (Five cents, please...)
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