Posted on 12/11/2011 5:59:43 PM PST by rzman21
I hope you and yours have a very merry Christmas and a happy and healthy new year.
Galatians 6:9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
2 Corinthians 4:1 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; 2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. 3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. 6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. 7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us. 8 We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair; 9 Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed; 10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.
Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
LOL that is hysterical .... The Girls private HS near my former home was known as the maternity ward of Buffalo ...Seeing that Catholics rank right up there as patients of abortion clinics seem to indicate otherwise..
Just thought..we could find out if there is any substance by asking the Catholic men here how many were virgins when they married ...
BWAHAHAHA!!!!!
Or "Catholic children, thanks to the early and regular practice of Confession, tend to grow up with a better grasp of this broad character of 'sin.'"? I left the Catholic religion in my late teens, but I sure don't recall all that much difference nor that Catholics had it over Protestants in the understanding of the source of sin in their lives. How about you?
Not me either.
There was baptism and marriage long before Christ.. He did not "institute them ... he never ordained anyone ..he never gave "last rites" .. The only sacrament he instituted was the Lords supper.. and even that had previously been the passover meal..now done to remember the cross not the passover of the jews..
Amen Sister! I use to wonder why some very knowledgeable Christians would just stop posting on the RF, but now after several years it makes sense. They get tired of being stuck at the elementary school level and want to move on to tougher questions such as reconciling predestination and free will, or where does faith come from.
I've pretty much seen just about all the sides that can be thought up on this most critical subject of Justification by Faith. But it is either grace or works, Scripture says, not both. If it's grace then it can't be by works because grace would stop being grace. But if it is by works, then you can't bring in grace because then work would not be work. I think Paul - through the Holy Spirit - could not have made it any clearer.
Praise the Lord!
I think the most liberating thing for a Christian is to start from the premise "What does the Bible tell me about this" when looking into any question. The answers are there!
So, now we have a newbie who comes in like gangbusters thinking he's gonna show all us ignorant "Fundies" how an "intellectual" shares the Gospel.
IMHO, here is the problem. They don't believe The Gospel given to us in the Scriptures. The same Gospel we are supposed to take to the entire world. They can't believe The Gospel or the power of their church to be the determinate of their salvation collapses.
They hold to a different gospel in which grace is infused into the believer by their sacramental system and their works.
The Gospel is NOT a difficult thing to understand - even a child grasps its truth. But so many people refuse to accept its simple but powerful truth - that Jesus Christ died to redeem us from our sin and the consequence of eternal death.
AMEN, AMEN, AMEN a thousand times AMEN!
Rom. 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead you will be saved.
We are justified by Faith Alone, no works, no sacramentalism, no legalism, no sola ecclessia, only Faith in Jesus Christ.
Great verses, thank you.
ABSOLUTELY INDEED.
Which word of
“used Ktx”
do folks not understand?
Isaiah 64:6
Douay-Rheims Bible
And we are all become as one unclean, and all our justices as the rag of a menstruous woman: and we have all fallen as a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
New International Version (©1984)
All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.
New Living Translation (©2007)
We are all infected and impure with sin. When we display our righteous deeds, they are nothing but filthy rags. Like autumn leaves, we wither and fall, and our sins sweep us away like the wind.
English Standard Version (©2001)
We have all become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous deeds are like a polluted garment. We all fade like a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
For all of us have become like one who is unclean, And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment; And all of us wither like a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
GOD’S WORD® Translation (©1995)
We’ve all become unclean, and all our righteous acts are like permanently stained rags. All of us shrivel like leaves, and our sins carry us away like the wind.
King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
American King James Version
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
American Standard Version
For we are all become as one that is unclean, and all our righteousnesses are as a polluted garment: and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.
Darby Bible Translation
And we are all become as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all fade as a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, have carried us away;
English Revised Version
For we are all become as one that is unclean, and all our righteousnesses are as a polluted garment: and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.
Webster’s Bible Translation
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
World English Bible
For we have all become as one who is unclean, and all our righteousness is as a polluted garment: and we all fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.
Young’s Literal Translation
And we are as unclean — all of us, And as a garment passing away, all our righteous acts; And we fade as a leaf — all of us. And our iniquities as wind do take us away.
Ain’t it great when translators sanitize Scripture! /sarc
That's right...good post.
Exactly the same...and with the same arguements and attitudes. Nothings changed. It would appear FR religious threads are stuck in the mud and there's no getting beyond into the deeper things of God......and this in view of the audiance.
Question is how can we take it further to that which might be instructive and draw us all nearer to Christ? To learn more about Him and what He desires of us ...souls are also at stake....and is the bottom line.
Have y'all seen any such thread here on FR?
(And for the record, works are the result of an active relationship with God through Christ. Eph 2:10) -Thanks.
I do...the 'sanctity of the believer' comes to mind. An individuals salvation belongs to Christ....He knows who are His and vice versa....Either they are "sealed" in Him or not...there is no middle ground....those who are KNOW they are His....it's really that simple. Scripture was written that we may KNOW we are His....not second guess His words.
Certainly "works" follow, they cannot help to be so as the individual is a "changed" man. But works are not a 'requirement' which affects ones salvation.... as the thief on the cross had no time or opportunity but to acknowlege Christ's sinlessness and admit his own sin...Jesus took Him with Him that very day.
But in the catholic faith it is my understanding it's a sin to acknowedge you KNOW your salvation is assured. ..and that flys in the face of what otherwise is clearly stated.
OK, I will get back to you on that when I have more time. There are four scriptures I want to ask you about. One is when Jesus said to one who had healed the sick and cast out demons in His name, “I do not know you”. Another has to do with Paul finishing the race. Essentially, why do we need to develop a relationship with Christ if eternal life with God is already assured?
Simple..He asks that we do.
Our 'salvation' does not depend on the degree in which we have a relationship with Him but on His "finished work" on Calvary.
He offers salvation freely given to those who accept it. The old nature does not become inactive in us...rather His nature now makes it possible to love and serve Him as He asks, where before we could not please Him by any effort of our own...nor can we now...it is Christ living His life thru us as we yield those areas He determines need to be.
We can and do all get hung up on our own righteousness when in fact we have none apart from the works He does thru us. It is His works from start to finish...not ours..not ever.
Perhaps the conversation should center on what Grace really is?
How do u know the thief didn’t do the work before the cross?
It is evident he knew something of Jesus and His kingdom. He sure didn’t learn about Christ’s kingdom while hanging on the cross.
Just curious.....!
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